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FS2004 3Side View of Convair 580

Discussion in 'Modeling' started by Bambi_007, 19/1/13.

  1. Bambi_007

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    Is someone out there they have for me this 3Side-View.

    That was I found at google are all too small for good modeling.

    I want to to re-design a Freeware Convair 580 from FS 2002 Gmax to FS 2004 Gmax.

    Thanks a lot for help.
    Last edited: 19/1/13
  2. gapeters

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    I don't have anything, but maybe Tom Gibson from CalClassic does. He is a regular here (tgibson) and over at his site http://www.calclassic.com/

    Greg
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  4. Bambi_007

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    Dear Felix

    Thank you for the Links - I have from there the Source already downloaded,

    but I need a 3Side View in a good Quality.

    :eek:

    Bye the way, why I cannot register at this Site ???
  5. FelixFFDS

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    Since I was getting bombarded by spambots, I turned off self-registration. Send me a PM with your choice of e-mail, username and I'll manually register you in the forum.
  6. mjahn

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    Couldn't you ask Bjoern aka "Heretic" here for permission to port his 580 back to FS9? Like Milton he is really generous with his code ...
  7. Bambi_007

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    I have the FSX Source Gmax files from Bjoern too,

    but I think it is a harder way to go from FSX --> FS9 as from FS8 --> FS9

    I only need a 3Side View please in a good Quality. :)


    @Felix: You Have PM and thank you for help me to Register.
  8. mjahn

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    It is a bit, yes, but usually done in a day... or two ...

    Well but that's a long shot. Most 3views are approximations only, many contain glaring mistakes. The proof of the pudding is in how it looks in sim compared to pictures. (You know that.)
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  9. Heretic

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    Well, if you asked me as someone suggested above, I could give you an FS2004 GMAX file, ready to go... :)

    tgibson at sunstroke dot sdsu dot edu
  11. Bambi_007

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    Thanks Bjoern and Tom for your help.

    I have looking the Pictures - they can help me.
    I have send an Email to Tom - maybe he can help me.

    But Im not shure how looking the Rudder and the Tail. :mad:

    On every Picture and Information I see - anytime I have a different Imagine how big is the rudder and whats the Tail.

    You understand what I mean.

    Not - than have a look please.

    [​IMG]

    The light gray is the Tail and the dark grey is the Rudder - is that right !?! The sand coloured Piece is the old Rudder.

    The Model is from FS2002 Model of Greg Pepper
    here are a Picture of Gregs Model in FS2004 Gmax:

    [​IMG]


    On some picture I see on the Internet they look for me as I mentioned above. :confused:


    P.S.
    Felix I had see you have registered me at the Forum I asked you, but I dont have become an Email or PM with the password.
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  12. gapeters

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    I do have a request that you model the cargo door model that is still flying around. Also maybe the CV-5800 model which is the stretched cargo variant too.
    So far though it looks really good.

    Greg
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    Looking great, Sandra!

    Rudder looks right on.
  14. Bambi_007

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    Greg, The CV 5800 will be a later work - it is not much moore work and can do in a short way.

    Bill, Thanks for your Headup - but i am so unshure because the look of the Rudder. :confused:
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    I have here only a picture of a Convair 440. The rudder is like the sand coloured one. But I don't know if the 580 has the same one..

    Kai
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    I have info that the Convair 580 was the result of a conversion by PacAero Engineering of 340 and 440 versions for Frontier Airlines. The conversion included Alison 501-D13 turboprops and greater area for the tail unit control surfaces. The illustration shows the rudder being full-length, the top of the rudder hinge is at the top of the fin. It looks like the lower version in Sandra's picture
    Roy
  17. Heretic

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    Sandra: If the size of the rudder on the model matches the size on the photo to pretty well, you don't need to worry.



    A cargo door version is already available for FSX.
    Heck, I even did the stupid air tanker version!
    :rolleyes:



    Well, it is more than just a fuselage stretch (which would require a completely new fuselage texture).
    The 5800 comes with a partial glass cockpit, new propellers and higher rated engines, all of which might be necessary for a "proper" conversion.



    As Roy said, the 580 has a larger rudder and tailplane.
  18. Bambi_007

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    Thanks for all your help to this step.

    I have write an Email to Nolinor Aviation because a 3Side View.

    Maybe they would answer back.

    Stay tuned please. :)


    For the Alison 501-D13 turboprops they are use Props of 410,9 cm in Diameter.


    http://www.airliners.net/photo/Cont...36212/L/&sid=e23332af92f10a6c62639d274b6ad15d


    Here I found a Picture of a CV580 and when I the Remark right understand:

    ""N73106 (cn 7) Now that is one sharp looking Convair. Sold by Sierra Pacific to Laredo Air in 1.91 but remained stored and broken up a few years later. Began life as a United CV-340 in 1952, to Frontier in 1963 and converted two years later.""

    They began as CV 340 in 1952 by United,
    come 1963 to Frontier in 1963
    and converted 2 Years later, 1965, to the CV 580.
    Frontier elected to go with the Convair 580 conversion
    which meant replacing the Pratt & Whitney R-2800-CB16s piston engines with
    Allison 501-D13D turboprops fitted with four bladed Aeroproducts props.

    Here the same Plane as Frontier Plane:

    http://www.airliners.net/photo/Fron...0781422/&sid=e23332af92f10a6c62639d274b6ad15d

    the Remarks of this Picture is:

    ""
    N73106 (cn 7) Delivered to United as a CV340-31 in September, 1952. Purchased by Frontier in April, 1963 and converted to 580 in March, 1965. Seen here taxiing for a dawn departure.
    ""
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  19. Bambi_007

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    Here we Go again.

    A Frontier CV 580 Picture with an other Rudder Variant:

    [​IMG]

    (P. J. Gates Collection - Copyright)

    Is it - or need I new Glasses. :cool:


    Edit:
    I think I need new glasses - I made the Tail Sektion bigger - and then we see this:

    [​IMG]

    (P. J. Gates Collection - Copyright)


    I think we have the Question of the Rudder now SOLVED.
    Last edited: 27/1/13
  20. gapeters

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    Here are a couple 580 shots that hopefully will help you. I had to resize them for attachment purposes, but they are still big for viewing and without glasses.

    Also my modified 580 panel bmp (sort of 5800ish) that I am using.

    And I am aware of the FSX version of the cargo 580, I was hoping for a fs9 version as well.

    Thanks, Greg

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