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P3D v2 T-346A

Discussion in 'Showroom' started by SixGhost, 19 Aug 2014.

  1. Roel

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    Very slick!
     
  2. SixGhost

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    Basic modelling is done. Now it's time to correct animations and merge the new fuselage with the old but improved wings to get her ready for the detail pass.:coffee:

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    How long to map the new fuse this time, Luca? It was quite a labour last time as I recall.
     
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    Yes it sure was, Tom. It's rather challenging to have a painter friendly layout AND the least amount of distortion with such a curvy mesh. It forces you to manually adjust every single UV vertex and it all takes time, probably more time now since the base mesh is richer than before. I'm open to suggestions on where you would place the seams and if you'd go with 2x4096 or Nx2048.
     
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    Tom's right it is an unenviable chore. I'm spending hours mapping and painting my Defiant. It takes time and a lot of correcting to get it correct and painter friendly.
    I would suggest cutting the fuselage and wings up. For the fuselage use planer maps at a minimum of six every 60 degrees.
    If you want I can send you mapping images of a very similar aircraft I built as a reference example.
     
  6. SixGhost

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    Greetings Paul, yes please, I'd like to have a look at them if you don't mind, that way I can evaluate different approaches or outside the box thinking.
    Wings and empennages are a walk in the park and will of course be detached from the main body. It's the fuselage that will give me headaches. Here's the old mapping just for reference.

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    It was the most organized layout I came up with. All of the fuselage's UV islands are aligned horizontally so panel lines would have been easier to draw. The downside is that the lenght of the island covering the top fuselage pretty much dictates your layout and limits your max pixel density so the wings have to be mapped smaller giving you more unused texture space.
    I'm considering using a similar layout but I may cut the top fuse island in two and rearrange the rest. The idea so far is to have 1 texture sheet for each wing, 1 for tailerons and vertical stab and as few as possible that cover the fuselage. (or 2 big 4k maps)
    What would you do?
     
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    It looks like you have a good grasp on your mapping so far. With some experimenting and a lot of patients with out fear of redoing your work when necessary you will do fine.

    For the main exterior of the model I have been expanding from 2048 on my earlier models to 4096 on my latest developments.
    I'm no longer concerned with filling up an entire texture sheet by packing everything I can on one sheet. This is primarily to conform to FSX's limitations on vertex draw calls and still allow for high detail. Add specular and bump to a packed sheet and you run into problems. This is not the case for P3D v2.x and above but I want my stuff to work for FSX even though I only fly P3D.

    Another thing I do on mapping the exterior is have two maps, one for the fuselage, v-stab, rudder, canopy, prop still, etc. The other is for wings, empennage, gear and bays. I will of course have other small maps for miscellaneous items.

    I take the longest object on my model and set the planer map to slightly larger than this object. All the rest of the objects on both sheets will have the same dimension as this longest object (exterior model only). This maintains pixel integrity throughout for painting rivets and seems. Repainters will thank you and your work will be somewhat easier to attend to.

    Send me a PM and I'll post some stuff on my Google drive for you.
     
  8. SixGhost

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    I'm not dead yet, just busy. I think with this one I freed myself from overcomplicated compound curves.
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    Hey Luca,

    Your work is absolutely fantastic! Great to see someone pushing the envelope. Models like in Aerofly FS2 are this nice, super high resolution. Keep up the great work. This is the future of FS model works.
     
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    This is great stuff and an inspiring piece of modeling work (for me) Luca!
    Thanks for posting the UV-map of your T346 exterior fuselage, this gives me a couple of nice hints, how to win finally the battle with my own babies "sleek and curved lines" (an YF-16 fuselage in Blender).
     
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    Thanks guys, way to keep me motivated!:)
    Ronald, don't take those uv's so seriously, they're nothing special, that's why I'll be redoing them. Keep in mind that a good uv map saves hours and hours of painting, sometimes it's best to study the real plane panelling and start from there. Panel lines are much more difficult to align than camos. Good luck!
     
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    Thanks for the tips Luca! (going back to that UV-unwrap / repaint hanger....)
     
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    Rear left console basically finished, missing only the right throttle grip linkage, which differs from the one in the front pit.[​IMG]

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    Beautifully detailed Luca, you've either got excellent sources or first-hand viewing of the real thing. :wizard:
     
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    I have a squad of midgets, Tom. I trained them to steal, take photos and kill if necessary. One day we'll conquer the world!

    What's your next project?
     
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    Westland Whirlwind fighter - mapping the exterior at the moment and having a torrid time with the UV layout. Single engine jobs are easier!
     
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    Yeah but where's the challenge? Alx (Alessandro Biagi) would be very happy to hear that, he once tried to convince me into building one. Might I suggest a M.B.3 after that? Gorgeous plane.

    I'm eagerly waiting for your showroom thread! #freethewhirlwind
     
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    Rudder pedals assembly...simplified. You can barely see what's modeled here anyway.

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    Now all I need to do is add a couple of small pieces, a few scews, cleaning up holes and the rear cockpit should be complete! Yay!
     
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    Brilliant!
     
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    Rear pit complete, switching to the front. Finally a very small light at the end of the tunnel.

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