FS2004 3Side View of Convair 580

[Bambi_007]

Is someone out there they have for me this 3Side-View.

That was I found at google are all too small for good modeling.

I want to to re-design a Freeware Convair 580 from FS 2002 Gmax to FS 2004 Gmax.

Thanks a lot for help.

 

[gapeters]

I don't have anything, but maybe Tom Gibson from CalClassic does. He is a regular here (tgibson) and over at his site http://www.calclassic.com/

Greg

 

[FelixFFDS]

Sandra - at freeflightdesign.org we have the gmaz source files for Greg Pepper's CV-580..

Check out:

Props downloads - http://www.freeflightdesign.org/props.html

Greg Pepper's CV-580 gmax source file:

http://www.freeflightdesign.org/props/gmax580.zip

 

[Bambi_007]

Dear Felix

Thank you for the Links - I have from there the Source already downloaded,

but I need a 3Side View in a good Quality.



Bye the way, why I cannot register at this Site ???

 

[FelixFFDS]

Dear Felix


Bye the way, why I cannot register at this Site ???

Since I was getting bombarded by spambots, I turned off self-registration. Send me a PM with your choice of e-mail, username and I'll manually register you in the forum.

 

[Deleted member 1281]

Couldn't you ask Bjoern aka "Heretic" here for permission to port his 580 back to FS9? Like Milton he is really generous with his code ...

 

[Bambi_007]

I have the FSX Source Gmax files from Bjoern too,

but I think it is a harder way to go from FSX --> FS9 as from FS8 --> FS9

I only need a 3Side View please in a good Quality.


@Felix: You Have PM and thank you for help me to Register.

 

[Deleted member 1281]

I have the FSX Source Gmax files from Bjoern too,
but I think it is a harder way to go from FSX --> FS9 as from FS8 --> FS9

It is a bit, yes, but usually done in a day... or two ...

I only need a 3Side View please in a good Quality.

Well but that's a long shot. Most 3views are approximations only, many contain glaring mistakes. The proof of the pudding is in how it looks in sim compared to pictures. (You know that.)

 

[Heretic]

http://www.hermantheduck.org/images...ges/cv580specs.data_/images/cv580specs_11.gif

Rather small, but better than nothing. Might be enough to at least "correct" the vertical stabilizer.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t65/hbbinc/RepublicAirlinesCV580KGRB8-19-83.jpg

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6352160

These photos might be more suited for reference though.

 

[tgibson]

Well, if you asked me as someone suggested above, I could give you an FS2004 GMAX file, ready to go...

tgibson at sunstroke dot sdsu dot edu

 

[Bambi_007]

Thanks Bjoern and Tom for your help.

I have looking the Pictures - they can help me.
I have send an Email to Tom - maybe he can help me.

But Im not shure how looking the Rudder and the Tail.

On every Picture and Information I see - anytime I have a different Imagine how big is the rudder and whats the Tail.

You understand what I mean.

Not - than have a look please.

The light gray is the Tail and the dark grey is the Rudder - is that right !?! The sand coloured Piece is the old Rudder.

The Model is from FS2002 Model of Greg Pepper
here are a Picture of Gregs Model in FS2004 Gmax:

On some picture I see on the Internet they look for me as I mentioned above.


P.S.
Felix I had see you have registered me at the Forum I asked you, but I dont have become an Email or PM with the password.

 

[gapeters]

I do have a request that you model the cargo door model that is still flying around. Also maybe the CV-5800 model which is the stretched cargo variant too.
So far though it looks really good.

Greg

 

[lionheart]

Looking great, Sandra!

Rudder looks right on.

 

[Bambi_007]

Greg, The CV 5800 will be a later work - it is not much moore work and can do in a short way.

Bill, Thanks for your Headup - but i am so unshure because the look of the Rudder.

 

[Kai503]

I have here only a picture of a Convair 440. The rudder is like the sand coloured one. But I don't know if the 580 has the same one..

Kai

 

[Roy Holmes]

I have info that the Convair 580 was the result of a conversion by PacAero Engineering of 340 and 440 versions for Frontier Airlines. The conversion included Alison 501-D13 turboprops and greater area for the tail unit control surfaces. The illustration shows the rudder being full-length, the top of the rudder hinge is at the top of the fin. It looks like the lower version in Sandra's picture
Roy

 

[Heretic]

Sandra: If the size of the rudder on the model matches the size on the photo to pretty well, you don't need to worry.

I do have a request that you model the cargo door model that is still flying around. Also maybe the CV-5800 model which is the stretched cargo variant too.

A cargo door version is already available for FSX.
Heck, I even did the stupid air tanker version!

Greg, The CV 5800 will be a later work - it is not much moore work and can do in a short way.

Well, it is more than just a fuselage stretch (which would require a completely new fuselage texture).
The 5800 comes with a partial glass cockpit, new propellers and higher rated engines, all of which might be necessary for a "proper" conversion.

I have here only a picture of a Convair 440. The rudder is like the sand coloured one. But I don't know if the 580 has the same one..

As Roy said, the 580 has a larger rudder and tailplane.

 

[Bambi_007]

Thanks for all your help to this step.

I have write an Email to Nolinor Aviation because a 3Side View.

Maybe they would answer back.

Stay tuned please.


For the Alison 501-D13 turboprops they are use Props of 410,9 cm in Diameter.


http://www.airliners.net/photo/Cont...36212/L/&sid=e23332af92f10a6c62639d274b6ad15d


Here I found a Picture of a CV580 and when I the Remark right understand:

""N73106 (cn 7) Now that is one sharp looking Convair. Sold by Sierra Pacific to Laredo Air in 1.91 but remained stored and broken up a few years later. Began life as a United CV-340 in 1952, to Frontier in 1963 and converted two years later.""

They began as CV 340 in 1952 by United,
come 1963 to Frontier in 1963
and converted 2 Years later, 1965, to the CV 580.
Frontier elected to go with the Convair 580 conversion
which meant replacing the Pratt & Whitney R-2800-CB16s piston engines with
Allison 501-D13D turboprops fitted with four bladed Aeroproducts props.

Here the same Plane as Frontier Plane:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Fron...0781422/&sid=e23332af92f10a6c62639d274b6ad15d

the Remarks of this Picture is:

""
N73106 (cn 7) Delivered to United as a CV340-31 in September, 1952. Purchased by Frontier in April, 1963 and converted to 580 in March, 1965. Seen here taxiing for a dawn departure.
""

 

[Bambi_007]

Here we Go again.

A Frontier CV 580 Picture with an other Rudder Variant:

(P. J. Gates Collection - Copyright)

Is it - or need I new Glasses.


Edit:
I think I need new glasses - I made the Tail Sektion bigger - and then we see this:

(P. J. Gates Collection - Copyright)


I think we have the Question of the Rudder now SOLVED.

 

[gapeters]

Here are a couple 580 shots that hopefully will help you. I had to resize them for attachment purposes, but they are still big for viewing and without glasses.

Also my modified 580 panel bmp (sort of 5800ish) that I am using.

And I am aware of the FSX version of the cargo 580, I was hoping for a fs9 version as well.

Thanks, Greg