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ADE Brain Freeze - tried to add ILS

connomar

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Having spent many hours correcting taxi signs, taxiways and runway settings, I made the mistake of adding the ILS to my runway using ADE. Now the build is throwing lots of errors because of missing approach points. I seem to remember Jon saying the approach system should not be used, but my question is: Can I erase my error without reverting to an earlier backup, which is not very recent and will wipe several days work?
 
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Hi. The Approach/ILS will be held in the xml file in PackageSources\data\airportblah.xml
or a similar location
If you are unsure of what statements to blow away compare your backup (I take a backup before I start anything on the day)
An Example:
<Ils lat="-42.308025" lon="147.411284" alt="412.44831510540098" heading="85.0" frequency="109.1" magvar="0.0" ident="ILOT" width="5.0" name="ILS07">
<GlideSlope lat="-42.309770" lon="147.396806" alt="414.528" pitch="3" range="18.0N"/>
<Dme lat="-42.309770" lon="147.396806" alt="414.528" range="18.0N"/>
</Ils>
<Waypoint lat="-42.335076" lon="147.085540" magvar="0.0" waypointType="NAMED" waypointRegion="LF" waypointIdent="WPOT1"/>
<Waypoint lat="-42.268704" lon="147.486804" magvar="0.0" waypointType="NAMED" waypointRegion="LF" waypointIdent="WPOT2"/>
<Approach type="ILS" runway="07" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LF" fixIdent="POXID" altitude="3500.0F" heading="70.0" missedAltitude="4800.0F"/>
 
connomar

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Ironpot said:
Hi. The Approach/ILS will be held in the xml file in PackageSources\data\airportblah.xml
or a similar location
If you are unsure of what statements to blow away compare your backup (I take a backup before I start anything on the day)
An Example:
<Ils lat="-42.308025" lon="147.411284" alt="412.44831510540098" heading="85.0" frequency="109.1" magvar="0.0" ident="ILOT" width="5.0" name="ILS07">
<GlideSlope lat="-42.309770" lon="147.396806" alt="414.528" pitch="3" range="18.0N"/>
<Dme lat="-42.309770" lon="147.396806" alt="414.528" range="18.0N"/>
</Ils>
<Waypoint lat="-42.335076" lon="147.085540" magvar="0.0" waypointType="NAMED" waypointRegion="LF" waypointIdent="WPOT1"/>
<Waypoint lat="-42.268704" lon="147.486804" magvar="0.0" waypointType="NAMED" waypointRegion="LF" waypointIdent="WPOT2"/>
<Approach type="ILS" runway="07" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LF" fixIdent="POXID" altitude="3500.0F" heading="70.0" missedAltitude="4800.0F"/>
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Many thanks, great advice.
 
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Yes, but unfortunately that's not the whole thrut...:) I have exactly the same problem. You can of course remove the waypoints from the XML-file before compilig, but you must be aware that after each project saving the same waypoint will appear again at the same locationin the XML-file! That's at least how it happens in my project. I have checked all pertinent lists to eventually find something inadvertently being stored and not properly removed when removing the ILS, but couldn't find anything. Maybe some of you Gurus will eventually find the culprit?;)
 
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I removed the ILS section from the XML, then created a new project from that modified XML. I had no further problems after that.
 
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connomar said:
I removed the ILS section from the XML, then created a new project from that modified XML. I had no further problems after that.
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Yes, that might be the difference. I only removed the ILS from within the ADE project without explicitly removing the ILS Section in the XML. Thereafter after each project save the three waypoints are showing up.Never mind. I finished this project anyway.
 
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My English is not very good. excuse me if I said something wrong.

Maybe this is a somewhat belated answer. ILS resides in XML in PackageSources\data\ directory. But in example above ILS tag is slightly wrong, and if you do the ils as in this example, there will be package build errors.
ILS tag must be defined inside <Runway> tag, i.e.:
XML: 
<Runway ... other parameters ... >
     ... other tags
      <Ils ... other options ... >
      </Ils>
      ... other tags
</Runway>
And, the ILS tag must contain a parameter "end", for example
XML: 
<Ils lon="39.89987" lat="47.4818" alt="84.489" end="SECONDARY" ... other options ...>
This parameter must be "PRIMARY" or "SECONDARY".
 
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Many thanks for that Alexpro.

I'm not sure that there is any value in adding the information into the xml anyway, as the built in data that MSFS uses, provides all the information for the nav systems even if the ILS data is not input.
 
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Yes, I think that ILS makes sense to add only in cases where the built-in data is inaccurate or when ILS is missing in built-in data.
 
downscc

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alexpro said:
My English is not very good. excuse me if I said something wrong.

Maybe this is a somewhat belated answer. ILS resides in XML in PackageSources\data\ directory. But in example above ILS tag is slightly wrong, and if you do the ils as in this example, there will be package build errors.
ILS tag must be defined inside <Runway> tag, i.e.:
XML: 
<Runway ... other parameters ... >
     ... other tags
      <Ils ... other options ... >
      </Ils>
      ... other tags
</Runway>
And, the ILS tag must contain a parameter "end", for example
XML: 
<Ils lon="39.89987" lat="47.4818" alt="84.489" end="SECONDARY" ... other options ...>
This parameter must be "PRIMARY" or "SECONDARY".
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Not exactly correct. I've noticed that when the ILS object is placed as a child to the runway, and the bgl is created and then transformed back into an xml file that the compiler moves the ILS objects to be a child of the Airport object, and the END tag is stripped away.

No I am now creating my own xml files with the ILS as separate from runway and I am able to run it through the fspackagetool without error. Quite odd what Asobo has done here.
 
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downscc said:
Not exactly correct. I've noticed that when the ILS object is placed as a child to the runway, and the bgl is created and then transformed back into an xml file that the compiler moves the ILS objects to be a child of the Airport object, and the END tag is stripped away.
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It is strange, but I was unable to build the project with ADE, and the error said that the ILS was missing END parameter...
One more thing. If you open a project in the editor inside the simulator, ILS is visible only if it is described in the runway tag. Accordingly, if you add ILS in the simulator editor, then in the resulting XML ILS will be inside the <runway> tag, with the end parameters.
Сouple weeks ago I needed to tweak the ILS a little in one custom scene, and I ran into this feature. The scene transformation from BGL to XML also placed the ILS inside the airport for me.
Maybe this is some new feature from Asobo? I don't know...
 
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