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FSX Intersection Take-off

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I don't seem to get this right with the runway overlays. As long as runways are next to each other....no problem, but as soon as I move the one under(or over) the other...problem!!! Please direct me to a tutorial where I can follow step-by-step instructions to get what Jim is doing. I am trying to get this to work for R35 at FAUP(default).
 
ADE does not handle runways on top each other. This is by design so any runway link line sets itself to the runway texture automactically. If you need to place a runway on top of another runway like FS does you have to work the XML by hand.
 
ADE does not handle runways on top each other. This is by design so any runway link line sets itself to the runway texture automactically. If you need to place a runway on top of another runway like FS does you have to work the XML by hand.

You could always place the runways separately together with their centre-lines and when finished linking them to their taxiways, move the runways so that they overlap.
 
Hi George,
I tried that, but as soon as I move the new rwy under or over the existing one, the AI disapears as soon as the get taxi clearance. As long as the rwy's are next to each other, everything works fine.
 
:confused:

I have just looked at FAUP, Runway 35 in GoogleEarth. I don't see anything at Upington that looks too unusual.

I am somewhat confused by your question and also by Jim and George's responses, so I want to see what's going on here.

Are you trying to add underlying/backing pavement to runway 35? If so, I would recommend using an Apron for that...rather than a runway.

On the other hand, are you trying to do some sort of taxiway overlay?
 
Hi Mace,
Thanks for your interest.
What I am trying to achieve is this:
Problem: Departing traffic will backtrack to threshold R35, which takes a long time, causing time-out for following traffic.
Set FSX to default traffic at 6:45UTC with Weather=Clear skies to see what happens with the two Lears and the B747.
(You will have to add a hold-short on R08 for the stock FAUP, otherwise traffic never reaches R35.)
Intended Solution: Smaller traffic to depart from the intersection where R08 intersects R35.

Erni aka manad
 
Hi Mace,
Thanks for your interest.
What I am trying to achieve is this:
Problem: Departing traffic will backtrack to threshold R35, which takes a long time, causing time-out for following traffic.
Set FSX to default traffic at 6:45UTC with Weather=Clear skies to see what happens with the two Lears and the B747.
(You will have to add a hold-short on R08 for the stock FAUP, otherwise traffic never reaches R35.)
Intended Solution: Smaller traffic to depart from the intersection where R08 intersects R35.

Erni aka manad

Can you post a picture of the ADE airport?
 
Hi Jim,
I hope the attachment works. It's the stock FSX airport, with one hold-short added near the R08/R35 intersection.
FAUP_2.jpg
 
I managed to make things work. If suitable for your layout, make two runways that are 1259 meters long if you wish singles and twins, both pistons and turboprops will use it or make one 1259 meters long and open it for both takeoffs and landings, the other runway shall be 775 meters long for single pistons and opened for takeoffs only. Placing of runway start is critical for T/O runway-put runway start some 125 meters from runway start for the T/O runway and for the landing runway it doesn't matter at all, where the start is. Don't put them on top of each other. Put landing runway (the one that's always longer than 4000ft) before intersection, where you want your departures to enter the runway and the runway that should be used for departures, after that intersection, leaving the underlying longest runway "naked" at that particular intersection and that should work. At least it works for me on two airports now and you can even do that for both runway directions if you use two runways of same lenght.
 
Hi Jim,
I hope the attachment works. It's the stock FSX airport, with one hold-short added near the R08/R35 intersection.
View attachment 5933

If you want 08, 01 and 17 active then use the Xwind tool. Runway 08 will be used by small single engine recip prop planes if parking is next to that runway. All larger planes will use the other runways (regardles of parking spot placement) since 08 is only 2718 ft long.

If that is not what you want explain what you would like to see with runway 08 now that I have a picture to look at.
 
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Hi Jim,

R08 is not realy a concern as it would be used as a taxiway to R35.
What I am trying to achieve is your method of overlaying runways as you have explained in another thread concerning EDDF R07R/25L and R26L/08R. What I would like to see is the B747 using the whole of R35(backtracking to threshold) and the Lears, etc. using the intersection for take-off.

Erni
 
You are lucky your runway is so looong. In order for the jets to use intersection takeoff you'll need to make overlayed runway more than 6000ft long for jet aircraft to use it. Try my method with runways that are ~ 6100ft =1859 meters long.
 
If you wish I can make a quick&dirty setup of your airport for you to see the principle, but then I'll leave you to your own devices. I guarantee it works, but requires incredible amounts of repositioning of runway starts and checking if setup works.
 
Hi adr179,

Tried it. The 747 is OK...gets sent to threshold R35 via backtrack R17.
The Lears disappear after they get told to contact Ground for taxi. I would assume ATC wants them to use R35C, but can't!!??

Erni
 
Add an extra taxipath (can be 0.0 wide) and connect R08 with 35C, place the last taxipath node just inside 35C start.
 
Tried it....no joy. Lear still disappears.
FAUP_4.jpg
R35C is 1859m long.
Please attach your solution. Maybe I'll get it right then.:o:confused:
Thanks for your interest.

Erni

P.S: I have fond memories of your Country and Bled. Attended the FAI Conference in 1996.
 
I checked default FAUP traffic at 09:00 UTC and there were 3 departures - a Caravan, CRJ 700 and Lear 45. All of them got to holding points for RWY 01 and got stucked there, disappeared after 5 min., but that was expected.
I tried the same also on my other machine with divine FS X installation and the same happened - everything ends at holds for RWY 01. So step 1 is to make this airport work with default layout.
 
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