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Not certain where to post this, but will try here. I am working on updating some airports for training and was looking for some smaller hangars. Nothing complex, just a "barn-like" wooden building with a sloped roof and three openings in the high side. Is there a location where one can go to find 3D objects like this? I have perused the default stuff and see nothing like it, but there are a lot of smaller airfields that have similar wooden hangars, not the giant hangars that are default objects for the sim.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.
 

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"I am working on updating some airports for training and was looking for some smaller hangars."
1. Define "updating" (from what into what and where exactly)

Nothing complex, just a "barn-like" wooden building with a sloped roof and three openings in the high side.
2. Do you have an example-image of the wooden-hanger-stuff you are looking for?

Is there a location where one can go to find 3D objects like this?
3. Do you mean by this WarpD:
- A virtual location inside your current simulator?
- real-life example which you then dan remodel with your own toolset and import (back) into your current simulator
- Are you looking for a kind of a virtual 3D model market-place where your can purchase ready-made 3d wooden-hanger models which you can impoirt into your simulator?
(see some examples on the links below):
-- https://sketchfab.com/tags/hangar
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-- https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-model/barn?synonym=barns
-- https://www.turbosquid.com/Search/Index.cfm?keyword=aircraft+hanger&media_typeid=2
..
-- https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models?keywords=barns

I have perused the default stuff and see nothing like it, but there are a lot of smaller airfields that have similar wooden hangars, not the giant hangars that are default objects for the sim.
What is exactly your "default stuff"? please define more clearly?
 
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1- Updating default airports to be a bit more accurate. Not large airports... really small ones that are used for familiarity training.
2 - It is a building used as a hangar at a remote private strip, I may be able to obtain a image or two.
3 - I mean if I want to find a 3D scenery object, is there somewhere that has such things available... I will look at the links you've provided.
4 - The hangars that are in the sim's default scenery.
 

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1- Updating default airports to be a bit more accurate. Not large airports... really small ones that are used for familiarity training.
2 - It is a building used as a hangar at a remote private strip, I may be able to obtain a image or two.
3 - I mean if I want to find a 3D scenery object, is there somewhere that has such things available... I will look at the links you've provided.
4 - The hangars that are in the sim's default scenery.
Hello WarpD, Thanks for the replies
Just a few more questions to clarify and narrow down the search-scope of your question:

really small ones that are used for familiarity training.
5 - Are these type-of-airports the small (remote) community based airport, where almost every pilot has started there aviation carrier?
Like beginner-level pilot-schools which are located around (very) small local single-runway (dirt / grass / non hardend) airstripes?

I want to find a 3D scenery object, is there somewhere that has such things available...
6 - For what brand/type of flightsim are you looking right now?
- FSX, FSX_SE, P3D, Xplane, other?


I already have found some websites which show Scenery Libraries like the ones below, but I do not know for which brand / version of Simulator you are looking?
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|| Remember: I'm only "digging up resources", You have the contact the owners of these materials yourself ||
|| (for the legal, copyright, an re-use-ability of their created materials)
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For example this websites:
A very well searchable and sorted list of default FSX scenery objects:
-http://lc0277.gratisim.fr/sceneobjects/

"The Owls Nest Scenery libraries" (FS9, FSX)
- http://www.owlsnest.eu/libraries.php
- https://militaryaiworks.com/download-hangar/files-by-newest/category/103-static-libraries-fsx

An overview website of existing X-plane Sceneries
- https://www.xpscenery.net/

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Another approach is to find already existing (fs9,fsx) sceneries over here and adapt them to your own needs
-https://www.freewarescenery.com/
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7 - How exactly (workflow) and with which (re-modeling / textureing) tools are you going to update those "really small airports"?
7a. Extract -> Import -> Update (inside your tool-kit) -> Save in native tool_format -> Convert / Export the airport back into the simulator?
7b. Create them from absolute scratch -> Save in native tool_format -> Export the modified small airport back into the simulator?


8 - Where exactly (The entire world? Which country / State / City?) should these small airport be located ?
Your FsDeveloper profile shows a little USA, Ohio State flag. Are you looking for "small airports" only inside Ohio state? The entire USA? The rest of the planet too?

Global searchable flightschool list - maintained by flightschoollist.com
-https://www.flightschoollist.com/

I already found searchable (global) APOA / (USA-only) FAA flightschool lists:
- https://www.aopa.org/training-and-s...ghtSchools&sort=@aopaufbusinessname ascending
- https://www.faaflightschools.com/

I already found a "small-airport" list online over here:
- https://metar-taf.com/airports?type=small_airport


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5 - Not usually, no. They're typically remote/rural airstrips that are either public access or privately owned.
6 - I typically put things together in either FSX or Prepar3D v3. It is used in either based on whether it's a private individual or a training facility.
7 - I use ADE, SBuilderX, Annotator, just to name a few. I use ADE to extract the default and the correct any errors (typically it's physical location) and build a new BGL for the airport. I also add autogen vegetation as well as buildings as needed to provide a more accurate representation of what the pilot would see in the real world for approach, landing and takeoff.
8 - We typically use U.S. based airfields. Not certain there's a reason other than it's where we fly?

The primary location where our scenarios are used are a EAA's AirVenture every year. The Pilot Proficiency Center houses several Redbird training simulators and we work with a group of flight instructors to help real world pilots get an understanding on how to handle situations that are anything but "the usual". As example, taking off in clear skies for a VFR flight only to have an unexpected storm front come in while you're flying... in the mountains. Or departing an airfield that has light rain... but shortly after you're airborne, you find it's unreported freezing rain above the airfield. Lots of fun! ;)

I'm simply looking for more 3D representations of things like hangars, sheds, houses, and the like.

I am part of Mindstar Aviation. We develop avionics software for Prepar3D for real world flight training. Our software is used in thousands of training simulators around the globe.
 

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Hello WarpD, Thanks for your replies to my questions. This makes it much easier to start looking for the desired materials.
8 - We typically use U.S. based airfields. Not certain there's a reason other than it's where we fly?
I did not know this fact, (until your replied) I was just asking to narrow down the future scearch_scope.

Possible answer: Perhaps one day - due to heavy global demand for new pilots - your company _can_ be asked to start shipping your awesome good looking high quality products to other parts of the globle,
which are located (many waypoints) beyond the borders of US-soil.. Perhaps this is a nice thing to keep in mind since one never can be "Prepar3d" enough for sudden global bu$iness expansions..


UPDATE:
On my search to "small_airports (globally ;-)" I stumbled upon this nice project called "Open Airports":
This project offer a LOT of free usable data , stored inside a number of free downloadable .CSV files
-https://ourairports.com/
-https://ourairports.com/data/

The "Open Airports" datafiles can be downloaded from their Github over here
-https://github.com/davidmegginson/ourairports-data

Below just a fragment of the entire file content, to give an idea
Code:
"id","ident","type","name","latitude_deg","longitude_deg","elevation_ft","continent","iso_country","iso_region","municipality","scheduled_service","gps_code","iata_code","local_code","home_link","wikipedia_link","keywords"
6523,"00A","heliport","Total Rf Heliport",40.07080078125,-74.93360137939453,11,"NA","US","US-PA","Bensalem","no","00A",,"00A",,,
323361,"00AA","small_airport","Aero B Ranch Airport",38.704022,-101.473911,3435,"NA","US","US-KS","Leoti","no","00AA",,"00AA",,,
6524,"00AK","small_airport","Lowell Field",59.947733,-151.692524,450,"NA","US","US-AK","Anchor Point","no","00AK",,"00AK",,,
6525,"00AL","small_airport","Epps Airpark",34.86479949951172,-86.77030181884766,820,"NA","US","US-AL","Harvest","no","00AL",,"00AL",,,


Perhaps worth reminding too as freely available airport (related) data source for MindStar Aviation products like these:
- http://www.mindstaraviation.com/Product_430_530.html
- http://www.mindstaraviation.com/Product_G1000.html
Or does Mindstar Aviation imports their needed data streams straight from rel-life professional Jeppesen / Faa / Noaa / Navigraph data_sources themselves?


STATUS SO FAR:
1. I'm currently busy extracting all "small_airport" data from the Open Airports - 11mb, 71975 lines csv formatted - airports flat-databae file.
This enables me to compile a "small-airports" scenery searchlist to start looking for those airfield on US-soil.

Unfortunately this file is (way) too big to be simply <cut><copy>and<pasted> into OpenOffice Calc / Base

EDIT: The import process terminates with an error stating "the maximum number of lines are exceeded"

I also was not yet able to find tutorials on how to get it imported into an OpenOffice Database (either directly or via a ODBC connection)
So if you know another way(2) to extract this "small_airport" data, from the airports.csv, this would greatly speed-up the process.
 
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I am not looking for a database. We have a database. Our product, called RealNav, is based on either Jeppesen or Lufthansa data (yes, we contract with both).

What I was looking for were small wooden hangars, the type that would be hand built on a remote airstrip in the western part of the U.S. As example: Flying B Ranch (Identifier: 12ID) in the Salmon, Idaho region.
 

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I am not looking for a database. We have a database. Our product, called RealNav, is based on either Jeppesen or Lufthansa data (yes, we contract with both).
I'm just purely building this database for myself. To be able to do a more efficient search into "small_airport" in the western part of the US for you
While building it, this idea sprung into my mind, that I just wanted to share with you. That's all!

What I was looking for were small wooden hangars, the type that would be hand built on a remote airstrip in the western part of the U.S.
As example: Flying B Ranch (Identifier: 12ID) in the Salmon, Idaho region.
Thanks for that example of what you are looking for WarpD

EDIT: That is one beautifully looking airport:
- https://flyingresortranches.com/


... My "small airports with small wooden hangers scenery" search continues...
 

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Search has been completed. I've managed somehow to get the entire database.csv into an OpenOffice Calc sheet for easy processing.
I've split our all airports into various categories like [main, medium, small, seaplane - airports] (see image below)

Note: Column R contains links to either Wikipedia articles and/or website of the small-airport websites themselves
WarpD_spreadsheet_columns.jpg


Since the entire file was to big to to attach, I've uploaded this spreadsheet (zipped) to my Dropbox over here:
-https://www.dropbox.com/s/yt93nfkf88z7vla/Warpd_Small_airport_sorted_v4.zip?dl=0

I hope this information will help you to find those small-airport wooden-hanger scenery object you are looking for
 
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