MSFS20 MV-22B Osprey Release 3.0

[Heater]

Love the new update, especially with an area GPS! Works well with integrating flight plans and autopilot into the aircraft.
I do see some small bugs, or at least things that have not been addressed yet with it, like the texture is missing for the GPS (showing Pink checkered), and the map not working in the GPS. However adding our nav, ILS, and direct to waypoints works awesome!

The elevator trim has been dampened fairly nicely (I prefer it more sensitive, but I know a lot of people didn't like that). However due to this, it seems that the autopilot was not updated to be quicker for the slower elevator trim movement, and now shoots straight through altitudes before settling minutes later at the correct altitude. Even new turns to different waypoints completely throws off altitude hold as the elevator trim isn't able to catch up in time to compensate for the aircraft banking. This was only tested in conversion mode. It worked great previously before this implementation of dampening.

 

[MiltechSimulations]

Love the new update, especially with an area GPS! Works well with integrating flight plans and autopilot into the aircraft.
I do see some small bugs, or at least things that have not been addressed yet with it, like the texture is missing for the GPS (showing Pink checkered), and the map not working in the GPS. However adding our nav, ILS, and direct to waypoints works awesome!

The elevator trim has been dampened fairly nicely (I prefer it more sensitive, but I know a lot of people didn't like that). However due to this, it seems that the autopilot was not updated to be quicker for the slower elevator trim movement, and now shoots straight through altitudes before settling minutes later at the correct altitude. Even new turns to different waypoints completely throws off altitude hold as the elevator trim isn't able to catch up in time to compensate for the aircraft banking. This was only tested in conversion mode. It worked great previously before this implementation of dampening.

The GPS Texture bug should have been addressed already. Do you have latest version (v1.3.1?)
I'll take a look at the AP issue. A similar issue was fixed a long time ago so it should be a quick fix.

Edit: just fyi the AP is only designed to work correctly in APLN mode. It may not behave as expected in Conversion. Nothing changed there and indeed works just fine on APLN mode.

 

[Heater]

The GPS Texture bug should have been addressed already. Do you have latest version (v1.3.1?)

I actually have 1.3.2, according to the Contrail application. It seems the issue was fixed after I updated the liveries pack, as an update was released with that as well.

I'll take a look at the AP issue. A similar issue was fixed a long time ago so it should be a quick fix.

Edit: just fyi the AP is only designed to work correctly in APLN mode. It may not behave as expected in Conversion. Nothing changed there and indeed works just fine on APLN mode.

Wow, for something not designed for conversion mode, autopilot has been working fantastically with the nacelles pointed above 0 degrees up until update 1.3.0! Yall should try and keep that convenience working for as long as yall can, until the autopilot becomes too complicated!

A little while back i brought up that the compass rose on the map on the "NAV" page of the PFD is off by tens of degrees, creating difficulting on situational awareness with the compass relating the map behind it. (Say i need to enter a remote desert landing zone at a specific heading. The compass is unreliable to orient the aircraft.) Note that the numbers displayed for the magnetic heading at the top of the rose is accurate.

See photo provided. Heading 300, the correct bearing of the aircraft, is offset by nearly 20 degrees on the compass rose.

Update 1: Upon further preliminary testing of the autopilot, HEADING HOLD, when at low speeds (below 160kts) the aircraft gently rocks left and right to maintain. It seems to go away at higher speeds, and lowering flaps appears to help (although on another note, full flaps gives hardly any extra lift in airplane mode, at least how much i personally would expect for 50 degree flaps. But does slightly increase drag.)

 

[kalong]

check your map orientation, that set to track mode (TRK), but I see the issue there what "heading" should displayed, noted it
for autopilot on conversion mode, let me investigate it.

 

[Heater]

check your map orientation, that set to track mode (TRK), but I see the issue there what "heading" should displayed, noted it
for autopilot on conversion mode, let me investigate it.

Wow, i really apologize. I didnt realize that button was working! The issue is fully rectified on account of user error! Should the number above the compass rose change to a tack course heading when TRK is selected, or stay the same like it does?

 

[kalong]

should be that display same as orientation mode used.

 

[Heater]

should be that display same as orientation mode used.

In that case, it seems like the background map stays the same as HDG when TRK is selected, instead of the map orienting to the aircraft's track course.

but I see the issue there what "heading" should displayed, noted it

Thanks! So should the correct logic be that the displayed heading changes to display the track course number when TRK is selected?

 

[kalong]

In that case, it seems like the background map stays the same as HDG when TRK is selected, instead of the map orienting to the aircraft's track course.

this track course are less noticeable cause it came from some factor, like wind direction and speed, rudder input.
I don't know how to give good explain in English, but try to fly conversion mode, and fly diagonally (fly sideways) from you aircraft heading, you'll see obvious different.

 

[Heater]

So for the Map display on the NAV page, when i fly sideways, the compass does indeed reflect the track course of which direction i am flying rather than which direction my aircraft is facing! However, the map behind the compass rose does not reflect, and remains pointing in the aircraft's direction, which means the map becomes useless to reference against the compass rose in TRK mode.

Now obviously this is a minute detail, and to be frank, you may have purposely modeled it this way, or possibly even the aircraft's nav map in real life just may behave this way.

If I may give my opinion though, it would seem logical to have the map reflect which mode its in (TRK or HDG), rather than the map possibly causing disorientation due to the compass rose being separated and offset from the map behind it.

For me, I have found a few times where i thought I was parallel with the runway on downwind legs, and end up being pushed towards the airport without realizing the NAV map i was referencing was not reflecting my track course. the aircraft symbol would appear to be parallel in the NAV map due to its orientation based on aircraft heading. Now, conversely there are ways to avoid that scenario, rather easy ones at that. But it does make the aircraft just that bit more of a convience in capability of spatial awareness on what the aircraft is doing to keep the pilot on their best mindset to operate this safely.

Just a small consideration.

EDIT: Upon further thought of my above paragraph, there could be instances where the map orienting to track course could be disorienting, especially in full hover with moments where the aircraft may be drifting side to side during corrections. Now yes, the pilot could switch to HDG mode to mitigate this, however during crucial moments where the pilot may need to be full hands on, it maybe difficult to switch.
An alternate option I thought of would be to possibly put an arrow or other symbol to reflect the direction of track course on the compass. Not only could that give a visual of how much offset there is between track course and heading on the compass, but the arrow/symbol could be compared to the heading-oriented map to determine whether the aircraft is on a track course towards a landmark or geographic representation shown on the map.
Both of these are just options, and both of them are just my humble, novice opinion on the subject .

I did have a question on the CMV-22 NAVY model ( what a KICKASS exterior model by the way! I got to visit my friend who flies on that very model and you, Maryadi, as well as MILTECH, got the 3D details down to a T!). Is there a planned update to increase the fuel capacity for this model, as the real one does?

 

[kalong]

let me investigate about track map.

I don't have data for CMV-22 fuel capacity. is there any speed penalty due to additional tank capacity, fuel pages on MFD, etc.
it also create possibility to separate aircraft system not only livery like present setup. it many but I'll consider it.

texture are done by MILTECH, thanks to them.
thanks for the picture, first one are good detail. good reference to add more detail for the model.

 

[Heater]

I don't have data for CMV-22 fuel capacity. is there any speed penalty due to additional tank capacity, fuel pages on MFD, etc.
it also create possibility to separate aircraft system not only livery like present setup. it many but I'll consider it.

The only thing i could find is articles are claiming the increased capacity is 50% more than the MV-22B model:

US Navy likely to expand Osprey beyond carrier delivery role

The service's top aviators say the range, speed and cargo capacity of the Bell-Boeing CMV-22 tiltrotor make it an appealing platform for theatre-wide logistics support, rather than merely shuttling supplies to aircraft carriers.

www.flightglobal.com

The Navy’s New CMV-22B Has Been Declared Operational Despite Operational Concerns

The Navy’s new carrier onboard delivery (COD) variant of the V-22 Osprey was given the green light for initial operational capability last December while on its maiden deployment on an aircraft carrier. But concerns about the tilt-rotor’s readiness and some of its communications equipment remain.

www.forbes.com

I want to report a minor bug with the estimated time to waypoint on the PFD when autopilot is flying to a waypoint. the minute number changes when the seconds number reaches :30, instead of changing after :00. So for example,it looks like 0:04:30, then the next time that shows is 00:03:29. If this is confusing, I can make a quick video.

In regards to the autopilot dampened in the last update, may I know the variables changed in the cfg so that i can personally revert the trim acceleration/effectiveness? I preferred the previous update where the trim was both quicker, and was useable in conversion mode. The variables I thought would change this do not seem to be working in systems.cfg or flight_model.cfg. Thanks! Gonna do a flight on VATSIM now!

 

[Marionettework]

I see a lot of activity in this thread recently and I don't think I plugged my Osprey mission here yet, in case some people missed it:

Operation Eagle Fang - V-22 Osprey Mission for Microsoft Flight Simulator | MSFS

✓ Operation Eagle Fang - V-22 Osprey Mission is a Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 mod created by Marionettework. Download for free to enhance your experience in MSFS 2020.

flightsim.to

It's really about the flight plan, this takes you over some really cool scenery and gives you a bit of "lore" around it, so if you have 2 hours to kill on a challenging Osprey flight you should try it!

 

[kalong]

hey... hey... hey... stop... stop it.
you not suppose to be in there... humvee.

 

[kalong]

are you okay down there...?
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what...?
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I think you said "awesome"... wkwkwkwk

 

[Marionettework]

Did I miss some new Osprey release where they added the features from the Chinook? I looked in the discord, looked on some sites, and figured you were just messing around. But no, you are legit showing something new, and how dare you come here and show this without giving out beta tester coupons. Especially for those of us who bought it on Marketplace and will have to wait like a month longer to play with it.

 

[kalong]

no you're not missed anything. this not release yet. surely soon release.

I'm too lazy to build a 3d (aka no time left), so asked miltech to use their chinook cargo 3d model.
still testing the water drop.

 

[kalong]

Opening this crew door...

 

[Heater]

VTOL propeller tilting, seemingly with each engine tilting independently at a different rate in MSFS2024.

What does this mean for tiltrotors? Do y'all think MSFS2024 will finally support vectored thrusting in varying directions? Do you think this type of flight model will only be supported by this specific aircraft? Lets hear your thoughts!

 

[MiltechSimulations]

VTOL propeller tilting, seemingly with each engine tilting independently at a different rate in MSFS2024.

What does this mean for tiltrotors? Do y'all think MSFS2024 will finally support vectored thrusting in varying directions? Do you think this type of flight model will only be supported by this specific aircraft? Lets hear your thoughts!
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Probably wont know for sure until FS24 is released. This could very well a custom-made solution similar to the one used in the Osprey

 

[kalong]

finger cross, they made it. love to have default vectoring thrust.