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Exclusion rectangle problem...

xr219

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Hi Guys,

If been playing about with David Maltby's 1975 EGCC to try and get an FSX version for him to try. This is probably my ignorance, but.....

I have added some jetways on the international pier. I also need to add an exclusion rectangle to exclude the default FSX buildings and Taxi signs etc.

When I add the exclusion rectangle, it excludes the jetways I have added. It does not exclude any of the other features I have added. Is this a bug or am I being stupid?
 
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Hello

Did you check "all objects", or any of the type you want to exclude?
If that is ok, maybe a priority problem with the exlusion bgl vs the scenery bgl. If in the same folder, try to rename your exclusion bgl with an alphabetic priority vs scenery bgl (i.e.: 000***.bgl as in SBX).

Pierrot - FMEP
 
Hi Pierrot,

The exclusion rectangle is in the same BGL file as the jetways. For the purposes of testing here is only one file. the bgl file contains the Runway, tower, taxiways, parking, jetways, etc etc. In order to remove all of the default objects, I have an exclusion rectangle over the whole airport to prevent the default scenery showing, so that only the data in my bgl shows.

The trouble if that the exclusion rectangle is also excluding the jetways that I have added to the same file. If I take the exclusion rectangle out, all of the jetways shoe... but so does all of the default airport scenery.

Are you saying that I must have a separate exclude bgl?
 
xr219 said:
Hi Pierrot,

The exclusion rectangle is in the same BGL file as the jetways. For the purposes of testing here is only one file. the bgl file contains the Runway, tower, taxiways, parking, jetways, etc etc. In order to remove all of the default objects, I have an exclusion rectangle over the whole airport to prevent the default scenery showing, so that only the data in my bgl shows.

The trouble if that the exclusion rectangle is also excluding the jetways that I have added to the same file. If I take the exclusion rectangle out, all of the jetways shoe... but so does all of the default airport scenery.

Are you saying that I must have a separate exclude bgl?
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There should be no need to have a separate BGL. Are you at least at FSX SP1? There were an number of exclusion related fixes that went into SP1.

-Doug
 
Hi Doug,

I'm on FSXA which has SP2 built in. The plot thickens somewhat, so it doesn't look like something specific to FSXP.

If I do use a separate excluion BGL whether I located before or after the airport makes no difference, my Jetways disappear. I find this vey odd.

For clarity, in my Addon seney folder there is a folder called EGCC75 which contains the scenery and texture folder for the airport. If I create a separate folder called EGCC EXCLUDES which contains a scenery folder holding only an exclude bgl, I either get no airport, or I get the airport without the jetways. I'd be happy to upload what I have got for someone else to try as its driving me round the bend. I can only assume that there is a bug in SP2 (or acceleration.)

If I remove scenery area 0501 the airport shows complete with Jetways... its all very strange.

I have attached theml file from FSXPlanner and also the compiled BGL. These are without the exclusion rectangle.
 
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One issue which arose when FSX was first released was that to get a multiple exclude to work, the FIRST exclude must include ALL the objects which you want to exclude in the subsequent excludes. So if your first exclude is ExcludeLibraryOjects, and your second is excludeTaxiwaySignObjects, then you need to include excludeTaxiwaySignObjects in the first exclude. This isn't the same as excludeAllObjects -- in fact, if you want to include excludeAllObjects, then you'll need to include it in the first exclude.
I have no idea whether this had been fixed since RTM, but it is worth looking at, and may explain why a separate exclude works.
 
toprob said:
One issue which arose when FSX was first released was that to get a multiple exclude to work, the FIRST exclude must include ALL the objects which you want to exclude in the subsequent excludes. So if your first exclude is ExcludeLibraryOjects, and your second is excludeTaxiwaySignObjects, then you need to include excludeTaxiwaySignObjects in the first exclude. This isn't the same as excludeAllObjects -- in fact, if you want to include excludeAllObjects, then you'll need to include it in the first exclude.
I have no idea whether this had been fixed since RTM, but it is worth looking at, and may explain why a separate exclude works.
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That was fixed in FSX SP1.

-Doug
 
toprob said:
One issue which arose when FSX was first released was that to get a multiple exclude to work, the FIRST exclude must include ALL the objects which you want to exclude in the subsequent excludes. So if your first exclude is ExcludeLibraryOjects, and your second is excludeTaxiwaySignObjects, then you need to include excludeTaxiwaySignObjects in the first exclude. This isn't the same as excludeAllObjects -- in fact, if you want to include excludeAllObjects, then you'll need to include it in the first exclude.
I have no idea whether this had been fixed since RTM, but it is worth looking at, and may explain why a separate exclude works.
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A separate exclude doesn't work. I can't get any combination of excludes to work. The only way it will work is by unchecking scenery area 0501 which includes all of the default Manchester airports...

Another thing... can anyone see the files which I attached? I cant see them.
 
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There is definately an isse, although I'm not sure if its an FSX SP2 issue or an FSX Planner one?

The issue is where a new AFD file is created that contains a Jetway object, and you either a.create an exclusion rectangle within the AFD file or b. you create a separate exclusion rectangle and include it in the same folder as the AFD or c. you create a separate exclusion rectangle and place it in its own addon scenery location; your jetway will not show, regardless of the order of files etc.

I have tried this on a default airport other than manchester; (EGAA) and get the same results.
 
The issue with a Jetway being excluded has nothing to do with FSXP but the designers technique. Since the release of FSX Jetways are very sensitive to certain type excludes regardless of FSX/SP1a or SP2.

This is what you must do.

Fine the reference point of the Library Object you are trying to exclude (main Terminal).

Only wrap the exclude around the reference point and no larger keeping the rectangle as small has possible.

If the exclude bounds (4 sided retangle) encompasses any Jetway pivot point you will not be able to replace with another Jetway. Jetways are removed by a deleteALL= statement and then copied back into your XML for edit purposes. A type exclude that removes a library model (Main Terminal) will not allow a new Jetway to display if the rectangle covers more then needed to remove a Terminal.

Too many times Designers want to take shortcuts and just create one big exclude wrapping the entire library object model thinking there will not be a problem.

Keep your exclude as small as possible only working with the reference point and not some large unknown zone. If you do a search on the FSdeveloper forums, I have posted several times how to use a exclude to remove a model.mdl (Main Terminal) that will not affect a replacement animated Jetway.
 
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jvile said:
The issue with a Jetway being excluded has nothing to do with FSXP but the designers technique. Since the release of FSX Jetways are very sensitive to certain type excludes regardless of FSX/SP1a or SP2.

This is what you must do.

Fine the reference point of the Library Object you are trying to exclude (main Terminal).
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I have found Whisplacer by Lamont Clark aka lc0277 http://lc0277.nerim.net/wiki/index.php?whisplacer to be a great tool to find the reference points for excludes.
 
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