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MSFS20 Has MS made mission development so hard that no one is doing it?

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I'm finally putting together a system that I will be able to run MSFS 2020 on, so I'm looking for add-ins that I'd like to install and it appears that nobody is creating missions for MSFS 2020/24? Has Microsoft made it so difficult that only actual programmers can make missions? Are there no tools (like Instant Mission Maker or FSX Mission Editor) for MSFS2020/24?
 
Reportedly, Asobo has an AI software routine to create many types of Missions as part of a 'Career Mode' ...semi-automatically.

Personally, I have not yet attempted to make a Mission, nor have I used Career Mode in MSFS, but there are YouTube tutorials..


BTW: No search results are returned for the word "Career" in the MSFS SDK Docs as of today's date.


SDK Docs regarding "Missions" are here:

https://docs.flightsimulator.com/html/Introduction/Introduction.htm?rhsearch=Mission

GaryGB
 
GaryGB said:
Reportedly, Asobo has an AI software routine to create many types of Missions as part of a 'Career Mode' ...semi-automatically.

Personally, I have not yet attempted to make a Mission, nor have I used Career Mode in MSFS, but there are YouTube tutorials..


BTW: No search results are returned for the word "Career" in the MSFS SDK Docs as of today's date.


SDK Docs regarding "Missions" are here:

https://docs.flightsimulator.com/html/Introduction/Introduction.htm?rhsearch=Mission

GaryGB
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Your reply actually validates the point I was trying to make...The SDK is intended for developers/programmers, not the every day user that wants to make their own mission. The only tool I have found so far is the BushMissionGenerator...and even that requires some level of programming/scripting knowledge. It's surprising to me that, at this point, someone hasn't created an intuitive, GUI based mission creation tool for MSFS2020/24.
 
The everyday user is a user, not a creator 🙂
When a user wants to create it becomes a developed and have to deal with developer tools..

BushMission is a nice tool, has a GUI, and doesn't require a lot of thinkering..but of course has a learning curve just like any other tool.. developer need to learn to create

If there isn't anything else may suggest that the missions aren't so requested?

In 2020 Asobo scraped the mission editor because they know the mission system would have changed in 2024, a mission tool may come in the future
 
mamu said:
If there isn't anything else may suggest that the missions aren't so requested?
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I would disagree with this, just go back and look at the number of user created missions for FSX...there are thousands of them! I believe part of the problem is there are no longer very many simmers that also have programming experience and are willing to invest the time to create intuitive tools that allow everyday users to easily create missions of their own. From what I have read, MS was/is very slow to provide adequate documentation for the SDK, was/is this intentional because they see add-ons (aircraft, scenery, missions) as a revenue stream and want to inhibit those that would provide these things free of charge to the simming community? Unfortunately many of the developers of the tools that were used so widely for FSX are part of an aging community and sadly a number of them have passed away.
 
jfbrubaker1969 said:
I would disagree with this, just go back and look at the number of user created missions for FSX...there are thousands of them! I believe part of the problem is there are no longer very many simmers that also have programming experience and are willing to invest the time to create intuitive tools that allow everyday users to easily create missions of their own. From what I have read, MS was/is very slow to provide adequate documentation for the SDK, was/is this intentional because they see add-ons (aircraft, scenery, missions) as a revenue stream and want to inhibit those that would provide these things free of charge to the simming community? Unfortunately many of the developers of the tools that were used so widely for FSX are part of an aging community and sadly a number of them have passed away.
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I would agree with this expression of concern ...up to a point. ;)

But I have recently begun to see some good things happening in the FS Development Community and its interaction with Asobo. :)

I am now inclined to consider Asobo as becoming more progressive and open-minded about such things as you cite above.


Like past FS version development teams, they are compelled to answer to MS marketing's exploration of new potential revenue streams.


The good news is that Asobo has progressively overhauled FS SDK methods and SDK documentation, while retaining internally, some legacy SDK code compatibility.

Additionally, Asobo dramatically improved FS' run time rendering engine, while also allowing greater realism in the content displayed.


IMHO, they have increased willingness to take note of end user goals, while eventually (even if quietly) resolving troubleshooting issues.


I think it is likely that Asobo will see the mutual benefit of making end user custom content development / distribution easier over time.


I do see the number of highly experienced FS Developers and FS enthusiasts are posting less often, and some are "retired" or "expired".

However, I am confident that a majority of those dedicated FS Community members still check in and are posting now and then.

Like many of us, they continue in their efforts to learn the newer SDK methods, and may offer input when they are more up to date.


In the mean time, one may wish to explore some innovations for the FS community by those currently ready / willing / able to code: :idea:

https://www.google.com/search?q=msf...4xuAf4B8IHBjItMTMuMcgHRQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

GaryGB
 
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jfbrubaker1969 said:
I'm finally putting together a system that I will be able to run MSFS 2020 on, so I'm looking for add-ins that I'd like to install and it appears that nobody is creating missions for MSFS 2020/24? Has Microsoft made it so difficult that only actual programmers can make missions? Are there no tools (like Instant Mission Maker or FSX Mission Editor) for MSFS2020/24?
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yes and no, to all 3 questions :P

missions for 2020 and 2024 are quite complex so it does take some coding to do very much
there are some bush missions on flightsim.to that are fairly advanced- look for the SAR stuff, he uses some audio voices and custom scenery in some of his work, very cool stuff
there is also a BushMission Generator on there (a basic mission builder) that will get you a very basic (but working) mission started just from a Little NavMap flight plan

BushMissionGen for Microsoft Flight Simulator | MSFS

✓ BushMissionGen is a Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 mod created by f99mlu. Generate custom bush missions, landing challenges, and discovery flights with BushMissionGen. Utilize Bing Maps or Google Maps API for enhanced images and create waypoints with detailed mission data. Trigger failures,...
flightsim.to flightsim.to

i used it on some of theses 2020 missions too get started but i ended up doing a good bit of extra after the build to get things the way i wanted

now ive been trying to build them in the 2024 sdk with some early success but nothing tested fully yet, most of the images i needed may not be used etc
 
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