MSFS20 3D Characters sunken into ground

[Meteora33]

Hi. I have the CHUV Lausanne Scenery an tested it in MSFS2020 and i sadly got a little bug, because the Clinic Personal is sunken into the ground, see the pictures. Is there a way to solve this? For me it would be fine to remove this 2 People. The Developer seems very busy, timeline for solving this maybe takes very long. I think, this must be a little adjustment by someone how has the skills for solving the problem? I have no knowledge of SDK or the developer mode.

 

[GaryGB]

Please be more specific as to which version of the above cited MSFS 2020 scenery you are referring to:

https://www.google.com/search?q=MSF...4B_wFwgcFMC42LjbIByaACAA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp


IIUC, you may be referring to the payware version on SimMarket, which shows people on the roof at proper AGL elevations:

https://secure.simmarket.com/spinoza-chuv-lausanne-msfs.phtml

If that is correct, do you also have installed, any freeware (especially if using Google-derived "fake" photogrammetry via GEDOT methods) ?

For example, either of these:

https://flightsim.to/addon/25433/swiss-hospitals-helipads-v1-1

https://flightsim.to/addon/2516/lausanne-switzerland/1000

https://flightsim.to/addon/52371/lausanne-city

GaryGB

 

[Meteora33]

Hi. I got the Redwing Version. I got no Freeware Scenery Addon like the one you show me or any other Freeware Photogramic City Addon in this Area. My thought was that the Scenery came out in 2023 and after that there are the world updates 6 and 18 for this regions, maybe the new mesh data for Switzerland change the elevation for this scenery?

 

[GaryGB]

https://secure.simmarket.com/redwing-sim-chuv-university-hospital-centre-lshv-msfs.phtml

"REDWING scenaries do not ensure compatibility with freeware, add-on modifying general textures and add-on altering elevations."


https://www.flightsimulator.com/world-update-xviii-germany-austria-and-switzerland/

"World Update XVIII provides pilots the highest resolution yet for the stunning scenery of Germany, Austria, and Switzerland!"


The building upon which the Helipads are mounted is on a hill within the local terrain; it is probably Placed using AGL instead of AMSL Altitude.

IMHO, using Arno's MCX, that building must be found and its placement converted to a value AMSL appropriate to the local terrain in MSFS2024.


In MCX, you may also be able to find 3D models of the people sunken into the ramp, then use a proper Altitude AMSL for their current Placement.

https://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/forums/modelconverterx.87/


See this thread regarding LOD popping of Terrain and SU-11 breaking AGL placement precision:

https://devsupport.flightsimulator.com/t/elevation-offsets-sometimes-ignored-on-loading/5572


I doubt a "Snap To Normal" Property for Placement will work, as the people models are superimposed over a sloped ramp, and the building is on a hill.

https://www.google.com/search?q=MSFS+Property+"Snap+To+Normal"&sca_esv=2eb456f1cafc7d15&source=hp&ei=s5HYaeDqO_ytw8cPgOWsqA0&iflsig=AFdpzrgAAAAAadifxBdd1L9Jd5WJ4ytYMDClahQaR1kF&ved=0ahUKEwigkIKqzeKTAxX81vACHYAyC9UQ4dUDCBY&uact=5&oq=MSFS+Property+"Snap+To+Normal"&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6Ih5NU0ZTIFByb3BlcnR5ICJTbmFwIFRvIE5vcm1hbCIyBRAAGO8FMgUQABjvBTIFEAAY7wUyBRAAGO8FMgUQABjvBUjdmgFQlBRYlpEBcAF4AJABAJgBdaAB4wqqAQQxMS40uAEDyAEA-AEC-AEBmAIQoALADagCCsICGhAAGIAEGIoFGLcDGOUCGOcGGOoCGLQCGIoDwgIKEAAYAxiPARjqAsICBhAAGBYYHsICBhAAGAcYHsICCBAAGAgYBxgewgIIEAAYiQUYogTCAggQABiABBiiBJgDIvEFpT_2hjfanK2SBwQ2LjEwoAe7NLIHBDUuMTC4B54NwgcIMi0xLjEwLjXIB_wBgAgB&sclient=gws-wiz

GaryGB

 

[Meteora33]

Thank you for this analysis and possible workaround. I think my skills are not competent enough for making this changes. I hoped someone can give me a little file that I can put in my community folder that solve the problem. I have something like this for a payware scenery in Corsica at a airport where are static aircraft’s placed that are „in the way“ of the normal positions for the native airline and with this little file from a well known freeware website this static aircraft are disappear. I also hope that the developer brings a little update, but I don’t know when.

 

[GaryGB]

I'm taking a look at how we can still extract MSFS 2020 Airport Packages into an editable "Project" form via Patrick Germain's Airport2Project:

https://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/t...here-is-a-small-app-to-help-you-draft.450344/


As for the 3D people in question "They Might Be Giants", but do not let that give you a 'sinking' feeling when you see them, as it should be possible to at least re-position them in MSFS 2020.

Perhaps with some further study, we may find that even though the man waving is an animated 3D SimObject, there may be a way for the end users to scale him down to his actual size IRL using MCX (for use solely on your own personal installation).


I have some further analysis to do, but IIUC, you should be able to access the LSHV CHUV HOSPITAL HELIPAD BGLs in your install.


If you have not already done so, you may wish to review how to work with the MSFS 2020 SDK DevMode Scenery Editor:


Gizmo

https://docs.flightsimulator.com/ht...ery_Objects.htm?rhhlterm=gizmo&rhsearch=Gizmo


ExclusionRectangle

https://docs.flightsimulator.com/html/Developer_Mode/Scenery_Editor/Objects/ExclusionRectangle_Objects.htm?rhhlterm=excluding exclude excluded&rhsearch=Exclude

excludeSimObjects​

excludeLibraryObjects​

GaryGB

 

[Meteora33]

Hi GaryGB. Many thanks again. I look at this when I am back in my Hometown. I had a other question to a problem that annoys my for a long time. I had the Aerosoft Brussel Airport Scenerie and when I fly over Brussel city with the world update for this region without the POIs but Photogramic Citys on I have a big mesh hole at the ground at the edge aerea where the photogrammetry is blurred because of a NATO Area where there are restrictions of the ground details as my www researches shown. The only solution for me would be to turn the photogrammetry in the MSFS menu completely off but this is not a acceptable solution. Do you know how to flatten this area or makes this also with sharper ground textures?

 

[GaryGB]

I had a other question to a problem that annoys my for a long time. I had the Aerosoft Brussels Airport Scenery and when I fly over Brussels city with the world update for this region without the POIs but Photogrammetric Cities on I have a big mesh hole at the ground at the edge area where the photogrammetry is blurred because of a NATO Area where there are restrictions of the ground details as my www researches shown. The only solution for me would be to turn the photogrammetry in the MSFS menu completely off but this is not a acceptable solution. Do you know how to flatten this area or makes this also with sharper ground textures?

Which specific "Aerosoft Brussels Airport Scenery" are you referring to (please link to the correct Aerosoft product page in this thread).



To fix this location one may use MSFS SDK Terraforming and/or Aerial Imagery utilizing source imagery from SASPlanet GIS application (free):

Version 200606​

http://www.sasgis.org/programs/sasp...tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc&_x_tr_sch=http

https://www-sasgis-org.translate.go...tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc&_x_tr_sch=http



https://www.openhub.net/p/sasplanet

https://bitbucket.org/sas_team/sas.planet.bin/downloads/

https://www-sasgis-org.translate.go...tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc


...with the Satellite tile-server set to "ESRI ArcGIS.Clarity"

https://www.google.com/search?q=ESR...kgEDMC4xmAEAoAECoAEBwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz-serp


SASPlanet Menu: Map > Satellite > ESRI ArcGIS,Clarity

SASPlanet Menu:

Operation > Go To > {Coordinates} tab > Geographic Coordinates > Latitude = 50.873399 > Longitude = 4.425091 > click: [Go To]

More to come after I review a workflow for MSFS SDK Aerial Imagery tiles (and you indicate you are ready / willing / able to use DevMode).

GaryGB

 

[Meteora33]

Thank you very much for your effort. This picture would be a very good replacement if this can be placed over this blurry fields but I wasn’t even able to get the LSHV Lausanne scenery to work because if I got the rectangle exclude lines right on the place of these 3D characters and delete this library objects and than click to „build all“ the package doesn’t produce a scenery folder with a bgl file and so the changes are not visible. This is very annoying and some threads says that this problem is known. I really want to make these changes by myself but I think it cost me to much of my spear time and I am also not that young anymore. I hoped that someone had this problems also in his sim and is able to make some files for the community but if I really want to make also the bitmap replacement in Brussel I think this would be a much bigger job than excluding these 3D characters and I even wasn’t able to fix that. So sad that a normal Simmer can’t change something easier with some clicks. This is programming in my eyes and I am also not a english native speaking person. If you don’t can make some files to share for these scenery’s I think that’s it for me but I really want to thank you again for all this information I get from this conversation.

 

[Meteora33]

Hi everyone and GaryGB. I came back to our conversation, because I was not able to exclude the sunken 3D People and search for help the last time. The developer first was friendly and build a scenery folder, but for MSFS2024 and not for MSFS2020 as I told him so we ended up with nothing and he said he has no time for that in the next months or so. So I try to exclude the 3D People with the rectangle exclusion Methode in dev mode and when I did that in the dev mode I see that the 3D People are disappearing but after I build the scenery folder the exclusion is not seeing in the sim after I load the file in the community folder named with zzz-LSHV-exclude after the main scenery, called redwing-LSHV. So, as far as I know I did everything right but it doesn’t work and the Package Folder doesn’t contain a bgl file only xml. So, have you any suggestions why this is not working? Also snap to normal also did not work, it would be fine to elevate the 3D People but I don’t know how. Hope you have some suggestions.

With regards

Andreas

 

[GaryGB]

Hi everyone and GaryGB.

I came back to our conversation, because I was not able to exclude the sunken 3D People and search for help the last time.

I got a LSHV CHUV Hospital Scenery from Redwing Sim for MSFS2020 and there are sunken 3DPeople, maybe because they are not compatible with the World Updates for Switzerland.

The developer first was friendly and build a scenery folder, but for MSFS2024 and not for MSFS2020 as I told him, so we ended up with nothing and he said he has no time for that in the next months or so.

Hi Andreas:

I do not know if this add-on package actually has been updated (yet ?) by the author for MSFS 2020 compatibility.

This is an excellent add-on package; please be patient with the author, but do share your fix for placing these objects.

So I try to exclude the 3D People with the rectangle exclusion Method in dev mode, and when I did that in the dev mode, I see that the 3D People are disappearing while in dev mode.

But after I build the scenery folder the exclusion is not seeing in the sim after I load the file in the community folder named with zzz-LSHV-exclude after the main scenery, called redwing-LSHV.

So, as far as I know I did everything right but it doesn’t work and the Package Folder doesn’t contain a bgl file only xml.

So, have you any suggestions why this is not working?

Also snap to normal also did not work, it would be fine to elevate the 3D People but I don’t know how.

I had mentioned above, that Snap To Normal would likely not work ...as an advisement to not use it.


* Snap To Ground must also be disabled in your source XML code for correcting placement of the sunken 3D objects.


* You must then correct CHUV - LSHV Hospital Helipad Ramp surface Altitude (this becomes Altitude AMSL at the bottom of the sunken 3D objects):

That CHUV - LSHV Hospital Helipad Ramp top surface Altitude is 71.5 Feet AGL which is 1,901.0672607422 Feet AMSL / 579.4453 Meters AMSL.


That 'should' become the corrected placement Altitude for the sunken 3D objects at the South end of the CHUV - LSHV Hospital Helipad Ramp


* Some fine tuning of that assigned Altitude AMSL may be required depending on your MSFS Terrain LOD Slider value.


* You may- or may not- be able to reduce "Scale" ...to correct sunken 3D objects 'sizes' at the South end of the CHUV - LSHV Hospital Helipad Ramp.

Hope you have some suggestions.

With regards

Andreas

In a Direct Message (aka "DM"), please attach / link to- the complete MSFS Project file you used attempting to 'correct' this scenery add-on package.

GaryGB