Airplane DAMAGE CRASH 3D model

[tonaz]

From SDK Learning Center:

in model.cfg you can put "crash=your crash MDL" 3D model, used if aircraft crashes.

Mh... Not true. Or if it is, how to make it work?!

 

[Ronald]

What happens inside your flightsimulator when you turn on
- Crashes and damage --------------
- Detect crashes and damage -> ON
- [x] Aircraft stress caused damage
- [x] Allow collision with other aircraft
To be able to detect a crash and therefor trigger the display of a different outside model file?

Add you "your crash MDL" to any given aircraft
- Take off with it,
- climb into the air
- fly for a while
and then deliberately allow it to crash your aircraft into the ground? another object?

 

[hairyspin]

Wasn't this removed from FS after 9/11?

 

[tonaz]

?!?!?
I am talking about P3D infact.
In their latest SDK they say you can add a "crash.mdl" to make a plane crash animation.
...

 

[hairyspin]

Silly me!

 

[=rk=]

From SDK Learning Center:

in model.cfg you can put "crash=your crash MDL" 3D model

Please provide a link or quote, because on this page:
http://www.prepar3d.com/SDKv2/LearningCenter/general/sdk_overview.html#SDK
I can find only this information, which is consistent with crash detection in FSX and does not include a crash state model:

In Prepar3D.cfg, in the [Realism] section, the following settings determine what happens when the user aircraft crashes. Care should be taken in multiplayer scenarios, particularly using the shared-cockpit, that the settings are identical on all computers -- otherwise there will be unpredictable behavior.

CrashDetection True=Detect user aircraft crashes and respond according to the setting of OnCrashAction, False=ignore all crashes by "bouncing" the aircraft back into a safe flying state.

OnCrashAction In single player mode: 0=reset the flight from the beginning (the default), 1=end the flight, 2=leave the user aircraft in the crashed position. In multiplayer mode for options 0 and 1 a client will simply be returned to the briefing room, and the host will be left either in the crashed state (for missions), or the flight will be reset (for free flight). Option 2 works the same as for single player mode -- the user aircraft for both host and client will be left in the crashed position.

What happens inside your flightsimulator when you turn on
- Crashes and damage --------------
- Detect crashes and damage -> ON

Ronald you are replying to a question about Prepar3d, using images from FSX, without substantiating the procedure to be identical.

 

[fsxar177]

?!?!?
I am talking about P3D infact.
In their latest SDK they say you can add a "crash.mdl" to make a plane crash animation.
...

It's legacy...

Same for FSX / P3D. The items in the SDK should pretty much cover it. But I'm sure some experimentation will have to be done. And the model itself will need to have some special display functions too.

- Joseph

 

[Ronald]

I am talking about P3D infact

A - Sorry Tonaz, I completely overlooked the fact that this message was posted in the Prepared section of the forum!
I need to better look before I try to help and solve somebody elses challenge next time, thanks for the feedback!

Ronald you are replying to a question about Prepar3d, using images from FSX, without substantiating the procedure to be identical

Here you go Rick, the relevant P3D Settings screen for you To me they look rather similar don't you think?
So how about the handling code behind the screens it?
Would that be functioning like ESP/FSX too? or has this been totally re-written inside P3D??

B - Since (as fas as I know yet!) P3D builds - for a greater part - on the legacy_code of ESP/FSX.
The point of my first posting is that your flightsim needs an internal "crash_trigger" to be:
- set in order to work and
- activated by you crashing your aircraft into something crash-able (ground, mountain, other plane, buildings).
so P3D "knows" internally to start displaying the "crashed.mdl" file through its display-engine.
How else can the P3D flightsim user see the crashed model on screen?

 

[=rk=]

Microsoft made flight simulators, not crash simulators and I see no evidence that LM has abandoned that standard. I have searched extensively, without result, for any reference to user model crashing in P3D, plane crashing in P3D and tonaz has not replied to the request to corroborate his claim. So everyone is speculating and proving how to trigger a condition that very likely does not exist.

 

[Ronald]

Inside the ESP/FSX SDK I found this line:
Aircraft.cfg:
Within each [fltsim.n] section are parameters that define the details of that particular configuration set:
- visual_damage: Setting this flag to 1 enables visual damage (e.g. parts breaking off) to be seen when crashing the aircraft into the scenery.
- Note: visual damage will only work if it is built into the aircrafts .mdl file.
Reference: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc526949.aspx

Inside the Prepar3d SDK I found this - almost exactly the same - line:
Aircraft.cfg:
Within each [fltsim.n] section are parameters that define the details of that particular configuration set:
- visual_damage: Setting this flag to 1 enables visual damage (e.g. parts breaking off) to be seen when crashing the aircraft into the scenery.
- Note: visual damage will only work if it is built into the aircrafts .mdl file.
Reference: http://www.prepar3d.com/SDK/SimObject Creation Kit/SimObject Container SDK/Aircraft Configuration Files.htm


Inside the Prepar3d SDK I found another line:
Model.cfg:
The model.cfg file is located in an aircraft's Model folder, and specifies which visual models (.mdl files), exterior and interior,
to render during normal flight and optionally after a crash:
- crash: 3D model used if aircraft crashes. No examples of crash models are available.
Reference: http://www.prepar3d.com/SDKv2/LearningCenter/simobjects/aircraft_configuration_files.html

And along the way I've found some unanswered questions about the same topic:
- https://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=121&t=48203
- http://www.prepar3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=116361
- http://www.prepar3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=123855
only an argument that states "this behaviour has been removed after 9/11" without any reference to any relative background resource.

This makes me wonder then, why this "crash" feature still is documented in the latest p3D SDK in 2017?

So - I guess - the best place for Tonaz to get a correct answer, straight from the source (the members of the P3D SDK-development team) is to ask this question at the P3D forum. I've seen that he already did just that over here: http://www.prepar3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=123850

 

[hairyspin]

Microsoft made flight simulators, not crash simulators

Microsoft made three simulators which supported crashed/damaged models: Combat Flight Simulator 1, 2 and 3. Not many building for these now, but there are a few. Maybe an answer will be forthcoming from LM about P3D after the weekend, maybe not.

only an argument that states "this behaviour has been removed after 9/11" without any reference to any relative background resource.

There are many things in the history of FS which are not officially documented. I wasn't simming 16 years ago, so depend on the memories of those who were, especially those with inside information from the original developers. There's not a lot of official FS information from back then still on the Web.

 

[Ronald]

Thanks Tom for the clarification. I'm glad some of us here still can remember it.
We should create a kind of archieve for this type of info, so that it does not get lost.

 

[tonaz]

Microsoft made flight simulators not crash simulators

Again the most granted and boring answer ever.
If in the SDK i read "put crash.mld to have crash anim... bla bla" i suppose that if i put a crash mdl, i DO HAVE a crash animation... Quite straight.

and tonaz has not replied to the request to corroborate his claim.

Which request?!

 

[=rk=]

From SDK Learning Center:

in model.cfg you can put "crash=your crash MDL" 3D model

Please provide a link or quote, because on this page:
http://www.prepar3d.com/SDKv2/LearningCenter/general/sdk_overview.html#SDK
I can find only this information, which is consistent with crash detection in FSX and does not include a crash state model:

In Prepar3D.cfg, in the [Realism] section, the following settings determine what happens when the user aircraft crashes. Care should be taken in multiplayer scenarios, particularly using the shared-cockpit, that the settings are identical on all computers -- otherwise there will be unpredictable behavior.

CrashDetection True=Detect user aircraft crashes and respond according to the setting of OnCrashAction, False=ignore all crashes by "bouncing" the aircraft back into a safe flying state.

OnCrashAction In single player mode: 0=reset the flight from the beginning (the default), 1=end the flight, 2=leave the user aircraft in the crashed position. In multiplayer mode for options 0 and 1 a client will simply be returned to the briefing room, and the host will be left either in the crashed state (for missions), or the flight will be reset (for free flight). Option 2 works the same as for single player mode -- the user aircraft for both host and client will be left in the crashed position.

Actually, you can not put "crash your model." There is no link or quote, because there is no crash model supported, there is only the one simobject model; you are not able to corroborate your claim. The truth may be boring, but a fixation with disaster is truly jejune.

 

[hairyspin]

Sorry Tonaz, that's as much as we know. If you find a way to implement crash models despite our collective ignorance on the subject, please feel free to post here and enlighten our darkness.

All the best.

 

[tonaz]

From SDKv3
( http://www.prepar3d.com/SDKv3/LearningCenter/simobjects/aircraft_configuration_files.html )

And "no examples available" do not mean "there is no crash possibility, just quit it", or "yeah we are trolling you...".
To me the line in the table means "Crash=... is the 3D model used if aircraft chrashes."
Quite straight isn't it?
As i said in the op, this table from SDK is not true couse i've tested quite a lot with several operations and settings.

Goodbye and have a nice day!

 

[=rk=]

They are not available because they are not supported. This table and the related information imply an intention to implement crash modelling only - or maybe to generate spurious conversations. You can place as many .mdl files into the model folder as you like, but the only ones that will be triggered are the normal and interior ones. This has all been discussed before and it would be naive to assume otherwise. As Tom implies in regard to our collective ignorance, your mission is clear: photograph and document and eventually reproduce this elusive crash model.

 

[tonaz]

I am not english mothertongue, but assuiming i am a newbie in p3d development (which i am not) so it is like i read Prepar3d SDK for the first time and i do not even know what it talks about, and assuming i can read and understand the meaning of a sentence (i think i can do it)... From the table i understand that normal is the external 3d, interior is the virtual cockpit, and crash is the 3d model of the plane crashing. Said this, there are samples of the first two, taken from some default aircrafts. There are no examples for the third, because in the default planes that comes with P3D there are no crash 3d models.
This do not necessarly means that P3D do not support crash mdls.
I do not read nowhere "CRASH MODELS ARE NOT SUPPORTED", or "WE HAVE THE INTENTION TO IMPLEMENT THIS IN THE FUTURE", as you would like to intend.
Why are you pushing this so much? You do not have to take parts of LM.
And about your last sentence, "reproduce this elusive crash model"?!?!
I think i am not understanding you. And i am quite sure you are not understanding me: in the original post i wrote that i read this table, i tried to do what LM says, and it did not worked. So i asked if someone did it, or LM is just trolling.
I really miss the whole sense of your argumentation, a part from it looks like you are thightly defending LM or whoever wrote that table, for whatever reason, giving to the table a very very personal meaning.

The fact that we know there is life only on Earth, do not implies the fact that Earth is the only place that hosts life...

So what is the meaning of putting that third line?
Imagine, NASA says "Hey people, there is life in the Universe outside Earth." We would ask for sure "Where? Where??". They reply "We still do not know"...
Sensless.

 

[hairyspin]

Despite your considerable frustration, we still don't know how to implement crash models in P3D v3. Ask Lockheed Martin. We are not responsible for their failings or errors in their sdk.

 

[tonaz]

nobody is pointing the finger at you, indeed.
everybody keeps misundertanding what i mean.