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Another Flight thread...

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Sorry for adding another 'Flight' thread to the forum but I have a few things to say.

I stand in the middle with flight, on the website they make it sound like it's going to be an ultimate simulator. On the videos, they show us that it is well and truly a game; flying through hoops, searching for stars.

As we all save the best for last, don't you think this is what MSFlight has planned to do? maybe, just maybe they will soon show us a video of the "simulation" side as they keep boastering about on their website, and not that Stearman or Icon A5 flying through hoops collecting hidden stars. I just really think that soon we will see a special video.

Now that's over...
Games for Windows - LIVE!
When I seen this, I did NOT smile - simply because it seems that Microsoft want to be in control of everything, by this I mean, it seems that Microsoft want to make all the add-ons and not let third-party developers make them, no offence to Microsoft but, the 3rd party developers are the ones that got FS9 and FSX to where they are today.

Imagine:
Microsoft releases a 747
PMDG releases a 747 - which one will get brought first and used? PMDG!

If any member of Microsoft Flight is reading this, please realise two things...
Microsoft is just the guys that gave us the platform - 3rd-party developers are the guys that brought the engine to life with all these ultra-realistic addons such as scenery and aircraft... So:
Without an SDK, MSFlight will very quickly begin to gather dust as the FS9 and FSX discs get cleaned and re-enter the CD-ROM drive.

If Microsoft is releasing Flight with only the island of Hawaii, again, it will very quickly get put on top shelf whilst FS9 and FSX come back.

Deer Microsoft,
PLEASE read all the messages on here and around the internet, ALOT of people are talking about it and 95% of them people already dislike Flight, they want to fly an Airbus or Boeing on hops anywhere around the world... not flying a Stearman though hoops and finding stars in the little island of Hawaii - if you think "flying through hoops and searching for stars in Hawaii" is just something you decided to add to the game for a bit of fun... just simply scrap the idea, update the multiplayer to allow formation flying etc...that is ofcourse formation flying anywhere in the world. You are saying you simply scrapped the "Simulator" from the title just to get a bigger audience, the audience is already big and that same audience wants Simulator... if it isn't in the title, then please show it in the videos.

Rant over, wanted to say that for a long time, I am sorry. But seeing all this MSFlight stuff all over the place, has made me realise that FS2004 will be my primary SIMULATOR for yet another many years to come... there is no secondary simulator, I will only use FSX to test my scenery once I decide to convert my scenery's to work with FS9 and X.

That's it. I don't see anything in the Flight videos that many of the community has put on the wishlist for sloped runways etc etc etc the list is massive but no nothing, probably updated the clouds in mountains...around Hawaii.

Regards

LONG LIVE FS9 AND FSX!!

RIP F Lite
 
Aviasim said:
As we all save the best for last, don't you think this is what MSFlight has planned to do? maybe, just maybe they will soon show us a video of the "simulation" side as they keep boastering about on their website, and not that Stearman or Icon A5 flying through hoops collecting hidden stars. I just really think that soon we will see a special video.
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They did title Webisode 5 "Gameplay", and true to its name, it showcases the gameplay elements of Flight. I just think it was bad timing that the gameplay preview was given at the same time as the press release and the beta.

Also, I see Games for Windows - LIVE as a good thing for Flight- no more GameSpy multiplayer silliness.
 
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I just want to add one more thing:
I'm not a regular FS user. I don't fly from point A to point B in a commercial airliner or other. I use FS, primarily to test my models, but also to fly aerobatics and military flights because that's what I grew up with, military planes and acrobatic RC planes. You could say "Well then, you'll be happy to stay with FLIGHT! There are lots of space for aerobatics!". But you couldn't be more wrong. The FS community in general is hating the game. There are a few that say they want to give it a try before judging, but they also seem like they won't go further than that.
So I have to say to MS that you have placed the final nail on this franchise's coffin. I can only thank you for selling the FSX licence to Lockheed Martin, thus giving the FS series a lifeline for them to hold on to...
 
I won't say much more than wait to see for yourself. I know that I will. I'm still wiping egg off my fact given that I too fell into the trap of carefully parsing the hints and so forth, trying my best to "spin" the scant few assumed facts into some pipe dream...

I've now adopted a "mildly positive" stance towards Flight. That way if it's more than what it seems just from the data currently available, I'll be pleasantly surprised. If it's a dog, I'll only be mildly dissapointed since my "hopes" won't have so far to fall! :D
 
The "issue" is Microsoft's intent.

The engine will be fine .. it has a pedigree, and a solid base.

Microsoft seem keen to control access to 3rd party development - that is quite clear.

The fact is, there is no clear announcement to release an SDK. The "word" is that MS only want 3rd parties to develop things they can't (or won't). No doubt this will be a business-based proposition (not quality)

So to use Darren's example, if Microsoft feel there will be money in developing and selling a 737, it is unlikely that PMDG will get a look in.

The PMDG thread at Avsim is worth a read. I will say no more on that, except that I agree with almost every word in the opening post.

DLC was never an issue .. that is a good thing. Being at the mercy of Microsoft for distribution / licensing / pricing and whether or not you are "included" is a major issue.

To my mind, if you were keen for 3rd parties to provide launch content, then you would embrace and involve them ....

and on that point we have seen and heard .......
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Aviasim said:
Imagine:
Microsoft releases a 747
PMDG releases a 747 - which one will get brought first and used? PMDG!
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If the Microsoft 747 is advertised on the Flight store and the PMDG 747 isn't, then surely Microsoft will sell the most?
 
This makes me think that someone has tried to 'copy' Apple with their iTunes and App stores for Apple software.

MS forgot to read about how Apple didnt make all the Apps they sell, lol... They (Apple) created an amazing SDK, tons of tools, only charged people $99.00 a year to be in the Dev program, and even have online Podcast courses on 'making addons for Apple things'......

They, um... missed that part. All the Dev's made iPhone and iPod Touch cool with all the various games and apps that you can run on the devices. Over 1,000,000 Apps... (er, addons).

Apple just sell through their store.
 
As others in the Steam flow store after a while they started letting other dealers sell their addons....MS will find that Live will never sell the amounts of addons they will make for this game which I predict will be very few since no "expected" revenue will flow from them.....I am sure we have seen one of MS great mistakes by cheating one of their oldest client base...I try to think how many of those addons they will sell??..homemade addons without a client base cheering for them, and expecting gamers to fly through hoops and pick up stars day after day does not seem very encouraging.....I can understand games like Dirt, Dirt2, Fuel and so many other action games being popular to the gaming guys and kids but Flying is so different, you really have to like it...I have "experimented" with my sons and grandsons...Only one out of the twelve bunch likes aviation, but ten love racing cars all over the screens!!!!!one likes programming.....:eek:
There was a thread on Licences a few weeks back, is MS willing to pay the Airlines for using their logos??? how about those fees with aircraft manufacturers? or as they did in FSX put out a BingoBongo Airlines 747 and Acmetrools Cargo Airbus???.....anyway, I will, like others download the basic game and zoom around in that crazy looking plane that they so willingly advertise...they must have shares in that company, MS never does anything for love....:eek::eek:....The only way out of this grave mistake by the bean counters of MS will be to confess their Sin sooner or later to get Absolution and release further down the line a free SDK for developers to put the Sim touch into it, otherwise mark my words (!) this game will, like so many of MS, go to the forest of the forgotten ones and meet the bad old wolf!!!
 
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Guys

Please be aware that this thread is going over old ground.
 
Imagine:
Microsoft releases a 747
PMDG releases a 747 - which one will get brought first and used? PMDG!?
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In FSX a new PMDG aircraft costs around $80.00
In FSX an MS jet costs possibly $1.00 (...as a proportion of FSX's total price).

In Flight, MS can get revenue from both.
And they are clearly products for two different audiences.
The users and products aren't really interchangeable (I think one wouldn't buy the other).
 
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