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FSX:SE Closing runways in FSX

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Guys I am after guru help on this subject:

PADQ, Kodiak Airport, in Alaska has 3 runways of which one, being 08/26 is the one with ILS (26 to be specific). As you would expect in winter in Kodiak this is the choice for landing. In the real world the RWY26 is closed for T/O due to terrain present at the end of the runway (A very Large Mountain) o_O .

I read this by Jim V in another post in response to a similar question:

"Only if the runway is parallel to another runway and the other runway has a ILS on each end. Rules change when the weather goes to IMC vs VMC.
If you close one end you MUST close the other end.
We can follow the rule that MS uses at some airports which makes a runway oneway. That will fit what Peter wants to do with 36L at EHAM."

I have also read about removing start positions and parallel runways, but its a bit baffling to be honest :oops:.

Is there any way I can modify PADQ (*.AD4 file attached) so that landing is permitted using the ILS for RWY26, but T/O is forced to any of the other runways?

Otherwise my AI will continue to crash into the mountain on T/O and be rejected for landing in IMC conditions.

Cheers

Andrew (YMML)
 

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I have heard of rare occasions when people said they got it to work, but I've never seen it.
 
QVA70 said:
Guys I am after guru help on this subject:
PADQ, Kodiak Airport, in Alaska has 3 runways of which one, being 08/26 is the one with ILS (26 to be specific). As you would expect in winter in Kodiak this is the choice for landing. In the real world the RWY26 is closed for T/O due to terrain present at the end of the runway (A very Large Mountain) o_O .
I have also read about removing start positions and parallel runways, but its a bit baffling to be honest :oops:.
Is there any way I can modify PADQ (*.AD4 file attached) so that landing is permitted using the ILS for RWY26, but T/O is forced to any of the other runways?
Otherwise my AI will continue to crash into the mountain on T/O and be rejected for landing in IMC conditions.
Cheers
Andrew (YMML)
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Andrew,
Yes it can be done, this is what i did,
First i deleted the starts for 8/26, then i closed this runway for Takeoff only (both ends)
I then found only rwy 1 was used for Takeoff and landing, so i closed 1/19 only for landing
this now worked ok to me as landing was now used for 26 and 29, with takeoff for 1 and 29
Perhaps you also need a fuel truck at the FBO ramp as a fuel truck had to come all the way from the other side of the airport causing hold ups, and waiting time if you are fussy :)
Having no vehicle paths also caused many holdups too
There is another problem with your airport, it seems you have changed the runway headings, so you now need to correct the approaches for 26 as they now broken because they are still for rwy 25
try this setup and see how you get on
 
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G'day Ray

Thanks for the help. Have managed to sort out take off issues, however even in inclement weather with low viz my AI still want to land on 29 instead of using the ILS on 26.
My updated *.AD4 attached, if you have time to see if I have made a mistake. btw added fuel truck to RPT apron :) and fixed approaches (I think).

Cheers
Andrew
 

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QVA70 said:
G'day Ray

Thanks for the help. Have managed to sort out take off issues, however even in inclement weather with low viz my AI still want to land on 29 instead of using the ILS on 26.
My updated *.AD4 attached, if you have time to see if I have made a mistake. btw added fuel truck to RPT apron :) and fixed approaches (I think).

Cheers
Andrew
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Well!! something has changed as i also only have traffic landing on 29, your other version i have traffic landing on 26,
so i checked your runway setup and there were no fake runways listed this time!! of course 3 runways are now not active, its basically the default airport runway setup now
I added the fake runways as per your first version, and i now have traffic landing on 26, see pic................
I see your have added turn-arounds at 19 and 29, you can now delete that hold short on runway 1/19 then you can add/change one of the nodes in the turn-around at 29 (186 or 187)
approaches look ok now
 

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Hi Ray, aaargh is all I can say :banghead:

I put the x-wind runways back, but now I have the RPT traffic taking off from RWY26, straight into the mountain! :eek:

Have you managed to get take offs working as well as the landings? It has taken me an awful long time to cobble together this airport so I am reluctant to start over......
Thanks so much for your invaluable help so far :).

Cheers
Andrew
 
No, once the starts were removed and the runway closed for takeoff nothing ever took off from that runway
Even the user aircraft generally went from 11 or 29 or 1 on odd occasions.............
if you're using different files, check your file again, and make sure you don't have a duplicate operating
the 2nd version on this thread above works fine for me
 
Here is what i get, i was given rwy11 when starting at PADQ
 

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Hi Ray and thanks again,

I found a duplicate in my ORBX directories and disabled it.
Using Jons Simple Airport Scanner revealed only one instance of PADQ, mine, after doing this but my RPT are still being directed to RWY 26 for T/O.
I've attached the current *.AD4 file if you can again take a look.
Its driving me nuts o_O .

Cheers
Andrew
 

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Tom,
can you try it or perhaps someone else can because i do not have a problem

Andrew,
i'll try you're new version and report back as i think you have a problem on your Pc
 
I am still not having a problem, here is me at Gate 3 which is right next to runway 8/26 and i get 29 for departure.........
Landings are still on 26 and 29
 

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LOL @ Tom!

Ray, I have now managed to ascertain that it is the larger aircraft, that are given RWY26. As the user I was given RWY29 in the ultralight but RWY26 in a 737. AI are behaving the same with a small jet being given 29 but an Alaska Air 734 being given 26 from the same parking spot.
I guess the a/c weight plays a role in determining the longest runway, despite it being "closed" for take off. Any suggestions, otherwise I'll try n do a web search or I guess its something I will just have to live with.....

Cheers
Andrew
 
just out of interest what aircraft are you using, as you don't say?
if you are using anything bigger than a Lear jet then the other runways are too short
so as Tom has already said closing runway 8/26 and removing starts will be ignored
 
Aha!!!!!

Lightbulb moment! Thankyou Ray. Is there a reference for RWY length Versus a/c type that you are aware of? Another thought i have is perhaps crosswinding 8/26 with 1/19 instead. Would over 1500m be acceptable for jets, do you think?

Andrew
 
you could but you will still have a short runway, i would lengthen 11/29 as 29 is pointing down the valley
here is a 737 given 29 for takeoff, i made the runway 2300 metres, larger jets and above need 2000m+, a Lear jet will go from 1525m
 

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Cool, I'll give that a go.

Oops, I thought 1/19 was longer than 11/29, my bad!

Thanks for all your help so far. Sometimes brighter eyes are just what's needed.

I'll follow up n leave a note as to how I got on 🤪 .

Andrew
 
Well guys, my option was to make both 8/26 and 11/29 the same length. All aircraft now take off from 29.

Lesson learnt ;)

Thanks for all your help Ray.

Andrew
 
So it can be done then! :) can you fly down the valley ok with a 737
i take it 26 and 29 are still being used for landings?
 
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