No idea!

[Aviasim]

These hardcore sim pilots have no idea!

They get a scenery and they say things such as:

This is wrong, that is wrong, this could have been better, why is this like that? why is that like this? can you fix this part and sort out that part and also do something about that and this? you didnt add this part, why isn't this in their?

Seriously, you developers that are reading this and make scenerys that are 'above good' - does them type of messages make you think "oh shut the F*** up!"?

This has not happened to me, but I have just been reading something on here on regards to performance on large airports, specifically NMG. I checked out the link that was posted in the thread in read some of the comments, I admit, it stressed me out, I feel sorry for NMG getting them sort of messages.

Maybe we chuck Gmax/3ds max, FS8/9/10 MakeMDL, BGLComp, MCX, ADE etc etc in these peoples faces and say "go on then, you do it!." - I am pretty sure then they will be licking the developers A** holes asking "please tell me how you do this, that " - or just leave them to it and wait for their first scenery and then install their scenery, go into SLEW mode or something in the most un-visible part of the scenery and start complaining to them... "isn't karma a B****?!, heres my list of faults *hands over a document with over 200 faults*"... that would-be developer then gives up, never to be heard from again!

I know us hardcore DEVELOPERS have to be kind to our customers and keep our products updated and accurate etc, and we have to listen to user feedback etc, but we (developers) can still have internal feelings/thoughts for these type of people.

One more thing I would like to say, we are in the year of 2012 developing for games released in '04/'05/'06... people that want to play games on PC's these days get PC's that can play Battlefield, Call of Duty, Crysis etc etc, you know them large super high detailed games? no dis-respect, but if a FS9 or FSX developer put one of their scenerys into a game like Battlefield, I am pretty sure that area would be extremely less detailed etc compared to Battlefield surroundings... I am along the lines of, poly counts do not matter in scenery anymore...as again we are in 2012 and computers are selling which can run FS9 and X just fine from the box...let's get modern guys! Again, we want to make our products "friendly" for the whole community, and have to bare in mind the people that just refuse to upgrade there erm.. 512MB RAM, Single Core processor computers... Seriously?!

Well, I'm sorry people but I am not having any of it! I will make scenery as detailed as I like and to get it up to todays standards, not 1998 standards! 14 years onwards!....
Also lets take a look at 3rd party aircraft, probably have polygons counting up to the million or over range....these is ALOT of scenerys for LARGE airports in one thing...with all gauge coding running through constantly etc etc.

However, NMG, egnore these type of people, you produce great work, keep it up!

Regards

P.S: Sorry if I burst anyones bubble here, what comes from my fingers to keyboard to hear is all my personal opinion, some will dissagree, some will agree, but think about it and read carefully, then most will agree and a very small minor percentage of the community will dissagree, most likely that person with the 512MB RAM system!

 

[hcornea]

You will need patience to develop FS projects.

You need thick skin after they are released.

Most of the critics will announce that they tried making things for FS, but couldn't do it.
That experience, however, has left them none the wiser.

They have all the critique, but none of the patience.

I have said this before:

Make things that YOU think are cool.
Take constructive criticism to improve things
Disregard the tripe.

It's not always easy, but getting angry will just get you frazzled. You have a personal connection with what you make, and you will take things personally, if you let yourself. Don't let yourself.

 

[Aviasim]

True Hcornea, but I havent been getting these type of comments from people.. - it just frustrated me after reading some of the things that were being said to NMG on their forum... I just basically put myself in NMG's shoes' but yes...a developer should make whatever he wants how he wants until he thinks its time to "stop" and just release

 

[NMG]

True Hcornea, but I havent been getting these type of comments from people.. - it just frustrated me after reading some of the things that were being said to NMG on their forum...

Thanks for your support Aviasim, but don't loose sleep over it. I am surely not!

It's like "hcornea" said: you have to have a thick skin in this business.

Any advertising is good advertising! They are advertising for me and I let them be! Thanks to them I have made some good sales up to now!

None of these chaps have ever lodged a formal complaint through me. I have yet to receive a list of faults! That tells me that if that frame rate problem they are complaining about is such a big problem, they would have approached me about it already. Personally I think they are making a mountain out of a moles heap!

Someone once told me that you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time!

 

[arno]

Hi,

I guess there might be a small difference between freeware and payware here. I have been working on a big freeware project for years now and in general we don't get too harsh comments. Most users understand that we do it as a hobby. Of course now and then you get somebody who is complaining that something is wrong. But we have learnt to ignore that. Or else we can always suggest them to give it a try themselves and see how much work it is .

I have not that much experience with payware, but given that people have paid money for it, I can imagine that their comments can be more annoying. They paid for it, so it should be as they imagined it should be (or at least in their minds).

 

[NMG]

I have not that much experience with payware, but given that people have paid money for it, I can imagine that their comments can be more annoying. They paid for it, so it should be as they imagined it should be (or at least in their minds).

Arno,

I cannot agree more! If I pay for something then I would like to have it fixed as well!

I beta test all my work before I sell it to make sure that it does work. I have two permanent beta testers that are very quick to tell me if anything is wrong!

The problem is that the issues discussed on the forum is the first I have heard about it. I can only fix it if I know what is broken, but then people must tell me about it. If I did not stumble upon the post by accident, then I will never have known about it!

Last week a client complaint about the air-bridges not showing. I checked and saw the same on my side. the problem was addresses and by the end of day the patch was available to fix the issue! The point is that the client took the time to tell me about it!

I get between 20-30 frames per second at all my airports and that is with AI Traffic and Airport Ground Traffic set at 100%! As a matter of fact I have most of my settings set at 100%. I have an I7 with 8Gb RAM which is a fairly powerful setup.

I suppose some users just do not know how to setup their FSX'es! FSX is an old program and it does not recognize the advances made in computer hardware. My packages are setup to make full use of the density settings scalar. Some users want all the detail when they know for a fact that their systems cannot handle it.

Naturally I will look into ways to improve, but fixing stupidity is something I cannot do!

 

[Tejal Bernardo]

You should make free sceneries, no thanks, no comments, no nothing. it's perfect or maybe not , yes a little strange all this internet world, but we will keep our hobby "almost profession" up.

 

[hairyspin]

...fixing stupidity is something I cannot do!

You obviously haven't read the Stupidity Development Kit.

 

[scruffyduck]

I will not post the email exchange here but recently someone emailed me to complain that installing ADE had messed up his finely tuned FSX installation. Also that he uninstalled it within hours and it took with it most of his extensive collection of addons including it would seem the aircraft.cfg files. Fortunately for me it seemed only to attack freeware and the payware escaped.

I always try to be polite and helpful and I ignored the 'it is your fault so you fix it' and 'you obviously don't understand your software' etc etc and asked the usual basic questions about version, where installed, how installed and so on. It was on the tip of my tongue to use something I learned a while back - that is I would happily refund whatever he had paid for ADE.

He was however fixated on a specific problem that arose in ADE 1.50 and was fixed very quickly. His next mail ignored my questions and became more unpleasant.

At that point I did email back and say that his general approach was both rude and unacceptable and that was not the best way to get help. I again asked him what he had done (the only possible explanation we could come up with was that he had installed ADE in the FSX main directory and then used the uninstaller. Though we do know that would not remove aircraft!). I did not receive a reply.

However if anyone recognizes the above and still wants help then please do ask here in the Forums - I am sure someone will offer advice.

 

[JRobinson]

Jon that guy probably used system restore which likely replaced all his pirated acft.cfgs who's hacked installers didn't install properly - that's if he even has a clue what he's talking about in the first place. Yeah, I'd say give him his money back .

does them type of messages make you think "oh shut the F*** up!"?

Not just "them type of messages", at my age nearly everything makes me think "oh shut the F*** up!", and it gets a little worse every day that goes by

 

[Heretic]

It's easier to be pleasantly surprised if you just adopt the mindset that generally, users are idiots.

Works for me, at least.

 

[Frits]

I think we must bring all the idiots here so they can see what it takes to develop for the sim and all the problems we must overcome to bring then the developments.

Especially the idiots in South Africa.

Frits
http://www.triengtrieng.webs.com/

 

[mgh]

It also helps to realise other people's opinions on a product may not the the same as the developers. If people have paid for it then they are more likely to voice those opinions. It is, I'm afraid, a simple fact of life.

 

[lionheart]

Thick skin is a requirement. Its like a space suit. Without it, who knows what will happen to you.


I worked for a year on the Dynamic. Nothing much of any reviews came of it. The introduction of new technologies, a new PFD screen, so much new technology. Nothing stated....

My newest bird, the Avelina. I pulled together a ton of personal resources into this baby. More new coding technology, new forms of assembly of mesh, new 'these things' and 'those things' in it. One review; well, the lights dont have their own instrument lights (no, they dont, because they werent supposed to) and 'this is wrong' and 'that is wrong' so I give it a 2 stars... '

For a year of work, 2 stars...

Oh, and he was mad because my PDF file manual was in full color which took up too much ink because he wanted to print it.

I worked for over a week on that manual! I wanted the best manual of my entire career, the culmination of all my hard work, and he gives me 2 stars because of printer ink......


Thick skin... Very very thick skin.

People that pay for something want what 'they' want, not what you make. Weird how that can get twisted.



Bill

 

[Xpand]

Heck! If you saw what I recieved in my comment box in youtube a while after the S-46 was released! I never got so much bad criticism in one month. Now I'm scared everytime I see a new comment notification and think "Oh man, here we go again"..
I mean there was this one guy that said that he didn't like the S-46 because "it looks like something out of Halo, thus could have been made better"... I mean, I spent a whole year on the plane and learned XML coding from scratch to make it's gauges. Not to mention the 20 A4 pages of concept drawings and calculations...
You can't take those things too seriously. I mean, you should always take into account those that say "it's good, BUT, it misses this, this and this" that type of criticism is the one you should always pay attention to.

 

[hcornea]

....I mean there was this one guy that said that he didn't like the S-46 because "it looks like something out of Halo, thus could have been made better"....

And if you care about the opinions of semi-literate 12yo boys, who have never made dinner, let alone a 3D model, then you will need to be offended on a regular basis!

"Tat model sux, man" is hardly informed critique.

 

[Aviasim]

Thick skin is a requirement. Its like a space suit. Without it, who knows what will happen to you.


I worked for a year on the Dynamic. Nothing much of any reviews came of it. The introduction of new technologies, a new PFD screen, so much new technology. Nothing stated....

My newest bird, the Avelina. I pulled together a ton of personal resources into this baby. More new coding technology, new forms of assembly of mesh, new 'these things' and 'those things' in it. One review; well, the lights dont have their own instrument lights (no, they dont, because they werent supposed to) and 'this is wrong' and 'that is wrong' so I give it a 2 stars... '

For a year of work, 2 stars...

Oh, and he was mad because my PDF file manual was in full color which took up too much ink because he wanted to print it.

I worked for over a week on that manual! I wanted the best manual of my entire career, the culmination of all my hard work, and he gives me 2 stars because of printer ink......


Thick skin... Very very thick skin.

People that pay for something want what 'they' want, not what you make. Weird how that can get twisted.



Bill

Seriously?!?! printer ink? that's his own darn fault then isn't it, I wouldn't worry about that review Bill, I love the Avelina and I am going to purchase it very soon cause I just LOVE that cockpit...no, I don't have enough printer ink, but that is my own fault and I will have to top it up anyway!

I think that is when I would tell that person to "get lost" and disregard everything that comes out of his mouth.

 

[hcornea]

It is not unrelated to the point, that if you know how to use your computer you can easily print a colour document in B&W.

Those who know the least, complain the most.

Bill, that reinforces what I said ... marvel at the tech yourself, because only fellow developers will understand what you have achieved!

 

[scruffyduck]

It is not unrelated to the point, that if you know how to use your computer you can easily print a colour document in B&W.

Fast Draft B&W on my printer

 

[GHD]

There are some Epson printers which don't have a B&W option