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MSFS SID/STAR/APPROACH coding question, transitions between STAR and approach - FS2020

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Hi all, we've had some success in coding our new procedures but there's a problem between STAR and APPROACH. Both of these work perfectly but when we choose both, for some reason STAR gets simplified/changed (both in the main menu or the aircraft systems like gtn750 or similar).

Here are just 2 examples: RIGMU2A is working fine when automatic approach is chosen
RIGMU2A changes/looses some legs when RNAV12R is chosen (please see attached images).

And here are the codes (everything is inside <Airport>):

<Arrival name="RIGM2A">
<EnrouteTransitions/>
<CommonRouteLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LY" fixIdent="RIGMU" recommendedType="WAYPOINT" altitudeDescriptor="B" altitude1="7000.0F" altitude2="17000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LY" fixIdent="BE116" flyOver="FALSE" recommendedType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" magneticCourse="111" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="7000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LY" fixIdent="BE115" flyOver="FALSE" recommendedType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" magneticCourse="117" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="7000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LY" fixIdent="BE114" flyOver="FALSE" recommendedType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" magneticCourse="117" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="7000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="NDB" fixRegion="LY" fixIdent="IA" flyOver="FALSE" recommendedType="NDB" magneticCourse="207" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="5000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LY" fixIdent="BE113" flyOver="FALSE" recommendedType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" magneticCourse="297" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="5000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LY" fixIdent="BE112" flyOver="FALSE" recommendedType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" magneticCourse="297" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="5000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LY" fixIdent="BE101" flyOver="FALSE" recommendedType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" magneticCourse="207" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="5000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LY" fixIdent="DEVDA" flyOver="FALSE" recommendedType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" magneticCourse="117" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="4000.0F"/>
</CommonRouteLegs>
<RunwayTransitions/>
</Arrival>

<Approach type="RNAV" runway="12" designator="RIGHT" suffix="0" gpsOverlay="FALSE" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LY" fixIdent="DEVDA" altitude="4000F" heading="116" missedAltitude="3000.0F">
<ApproachLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LY" fixIdent="DEVDA" recommendedRegion="LY" altitudeDescriptor="A" altitude1="4000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LY" fixIdent="LAMBA" magneticCourse="118" distance="3.1N" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="3000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LY" fixIdent="ROGZI" magneticCourse="117" distance="4.0N" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="3000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="RUNWAY" fixRegion="LY" fixIdent="RW12R" flyOver="FALSE" magneticCourse="117" distance="8.1N" altitudeDescriptor="A" altitude1="376.0F"/>
</ApproachLegs>
<MissedApproachLegs>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LY" fixIdent="BE180" flyOver="TRUE" magneticCourse="117" distance="2.5N" altitudeDescriptor="A" altitude1="3000.0F"/>
<Leg type="DF" fixType="NDB" fixRegion="LY" fixIdent="OBR" flyOver="FALSE" turnDirection="R" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="3000F"/>
</MissedApproachLegs>
</Approach>


Any idea how to do a proper transition between the 2? Thank you so much!
 

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HI. Have you tried removing that <RunwayTransitions/> at the end of transition and replacing it with </EnrouteTransitions> ?
 
GIAMPA said:
HI. Have you tried removing that <RunwayTransitions/> at the end of transition and replacing it with </EnrouteTransitions> ?
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I just did, in that case getting an error. But something else we've just discovered, with the above code, Airbus A320 or some cessna are following the STAR and approach correctly, only FS2020 main menu or also GTN750 are having this problem (changing the STAR when some approach is selected).
 
As far as I know the TERMINAL_WAYPOINTS are right, in the declaration they are type NAMED.
I made some simple transitions and approaches for a test airport and they are consistent in the A320 FBW, in the PMDG instead you have to compile its own world which is identical to FSX.

<Arrival name="NW1314">
<EnrouteTransitions/>
<CommonRouteLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="SOSAK" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="17000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="NETUN" flyOver="FALSE" magneticCourse="0.0" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="12000.0F" speedLimit="230"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="TOBUP" flyOver="FALSE" magneticCourse="0.0" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="10000.0F" speedLimit="220"/>
</CommonRouteLegs>
<RunwayTransitions/>
</Arrival>
<Arrival name="WW1314">
<EnrouteTransitions/>
<CommonRouteLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="TIPAP" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="12000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="TOBUP" flyOver="FALSE" magneticCourse="0.0" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="10000.0F" speedLimit="220"/>
</CommonRouteLegs>
<RunwayTransitions/>
</Arrival>
<Arrival name="SW1314">
<EnrouteTransitions/>
<CommonRouteLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="RN907" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="17000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="RF463" flyOver="FALSE" magneticCourse="0.0" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="12000.0F" speedLimit="230"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="TOBUP" flyOver="FALSE" magneticCourse="0.0" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="10000.0F" speedLimit="220"/>
</CommonRouteLegs>
<RunwayTransitions/>
</Arrival>
<Arrival name="NW3132">
<EnrouteTransitions/>
<CommonRouteLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="RF463" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="20000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="RN907" flyOver="FALSE" magneticCourse="0.0" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="12000.0F" speedLimit="230"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="D252V" flyOver="FALSE" magneticCourse="0.0" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="10000.0F" speedLimit="220"/>
</CommonRouteLegs>
<RunwayTransitions/>
</Arrival>
<Arrival name="WW3132">
<EnrouteTransitions/>
<CommonRouteLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="RN907" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="12000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="D252V" flyOver="FALSE" magneticCourse="0.0" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="10000.0F" speedLimit="220"/>
</CommonRouteLegs>
<RunwayTransitions/>
</Arrival>
<Arrival name="SW3132">
<EnrouteTransitions/>
<CommonRouteLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="MALOG" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="12000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="D252V" flyOver="FALSE" magneticCourse="0.0" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="10000.0F" speedLimit="220"/>
</CommonRouteLegs>
<RunwayTransitions/>
</Arrival>
<Approach type="ILS" runway="13" designator="NONE" suffix="W" gpsOverlay="FALSE" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="FR13F" altitude="3700.0F" heading="135" missedAltitude="4500.0F">
<ApproachLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="FR13F" altitudeDescriptor="A" altitude1="3700.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="RUNWAY" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="RW13" magneticCourse="135.0" distance="10.0N" altitudeDescriptor="A" altitude1="663.0F"/>
</ApproachLegs>
<Transition transitionType="FULL" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="RA502" altitude="6000.0F">
<TransitionLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="RA502" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="6000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="FR13F" magneticCourse="67" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="3700.0F"/>
</TransitionLegs>
</Transition>
<Transition transitionType="FULL" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="RA532" altitude="6000.0F">
<TransitionLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="RA532" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="6000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="FR13F" magneticCourse="111" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="3700.0F"/>
</TransitionLegs>
</Transition>
</Approach>
<Approach type="ILS" runway="14" designator="NONE" suffix="W" gpsOverlay="FALSE" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="KR14F" altitude="3700.0F" heading="144" missedAltitude="4500.0F">
<ApproachLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="KR14F" altitudeDescriptor="A" altitude1="3700.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="RUNWAY" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="RW14" magneticCourse="144.0" distance="10.0N" altitudeDescriptor="A" altitude1="712.0F"/>
</ApproachLegs>
<Transition transitionType="FULL" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="RA502" altitude="6000.0F">
<TransitionLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="RA502" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="6000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="KR14F" magneticCourse="67" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="3700.0F"/>
</TransitionLegs>
</Transition>
<Transition transitionType="FULL" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="RA532" altitude="6000.0F">
<TransitionLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="RA532" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="6000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="KR14F" magneticCourse="111" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="3700.0F"/>
</TransitionLegs>
</Transition>
</Approach>
<Approach type="ILS" runway="31" designator="NONE" suffix="W" gpsOverlay="FALSE" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="FR31F" altitude="3000.0F" heading="315" missedAltitude="5000.0F">
<ApproachLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="FR31F" altitudeDescriptor="A" altitude1="3000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="RUNWAY" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="RW31" magneticCourse="312.0" distance="10.0N" altitudeDescriptor="A" altitude1="561.0F"/>
</ApproachLegs>
<Transition transitionType="FULL" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="SIPRO" altitude="6000.0F">
<TransitionLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="SIPRO" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="6000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="FR31F" magneticCourse="289" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="3000.0F"/>
</TransitionLegs>
</Transition>
<Transition transitionType="FULL" fixType="VOR" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="TEA" altitude="6000.0F">
<TransitionLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="TEA" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="6000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="FR31F" magneticCourse="296" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="3000.0F"/>
</TransitionLegs>
</Transition>
</Approach>
<Approach type="ILS" runway="32" designator="NONE" suffix="W" gpsOverlay="FALSE" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="KR32F" altitude="3000.0F" heading="325" missedAltitude="5000.0F">
<ApproachLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="KR32F" altitudeDescriptor="A" altitude1="3000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="RUNWAY" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="RW32" magneticCourse="321.0" distance="9.0N" altitudeDescriptor="A" altitude1="610.0F"/>
</ApproachLegs>
<Transition transitionType="FULL" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="SIPRO" altitude="6000.0F">
<TransitionLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="SIPRO" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="6000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="KR32F" magneticCourse="286" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="3000.0F"/>
</TransitionLegs>
</Transition>
<Transition transitionType="FULL" fixType="VOR" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="TEA" altitude="6000.0F">
<TransitionLegs>
<Leg type="IF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="TEA" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="6000.0F"/>
<Leg type="TF" fixType="TERMINAL_WAYPOINT" fixRegion="LI" fixIdent="KR32F" magneticCourse="295" altitudeDescriptor="+" altitude1="3000.0F"/>
</TransitionLegs>
</Transition>
</Approach>
<Waypoint lon="13.14334400000000" lat="41.80359000000000" magvar="0.0" waypointIdent="KR14F" waypointRegion="LI" waypointType="NAMED"/>
<Waypoint lon="13.41418300000000" lat="41.51949100000000" magvar="0.0" waypointIdent="KR32F" waypointRegion="LI" waypointType="NAMED"/>
<Waypoint lon="13.10753600000000" lat="41.77933700000000" magvar="0.0" waypointIdent="FR13F" waypointRegion="LI" waypointType="NAMED"/>
<Waypoint lon="13.44743000000000" lat="41.52061900000000" magvar="0.0" waypointIdent="FR31F" waypointRegion="LI" waypointType="NAMED"/>
<Waypoint lon="12.47191300000000" lat="41.47260000000000" magvar="0.0" waypointIdent="TOBUP" waypointRegion="LI" waypointType="NAMED"/>
<Waypoint lon="12.83050000000000" lat="41.70781900000000" magvar="0.0" waypointIdent="RA502" waypointRegion="LI" waypointType="NAMED"/>
<Waypoint lon="13.68050000000000" lat="41.44614100000000" magvar="0.0" waypointIdent="SIPRO" waypointRegion="LI" waypointType="NAMED"/>
<Waypoint lon="13.62350000000000" lat="40.95800000000000" magvar="0.0" waypointIdent="D252V" waypointRegion="LI" waypointType="NAMED"/>
<Waypoint lon="12.04390000000000" lat="41.62080000000000" magvar="0.0" waypointIdent="SOSAK" waypointRegion="LI" waypointType="NAMED"/>
<Waypoint lon="12.25920000000000" lat="41.42060000000000" magvar="0.0" waypointIdent="NETUN" waypointRegion="LI" waypointType="NAMED"/>
<Waypoint lon="12.41600000000000" lat="41.30610000000000" magvar="0.0" waypointIdent="RF463" waypointRegion="LI" waypointType="NAMED"/>
<Waypoint lon="12.08390000000000" lat="41.28560000000000" magvar="0.0" waypointIdent="TIPAP" waypointRegion="LI" waypointType="NAMED"/>
<Waypoint lon="13.30210000000000" lat="40.83770000000000" magvar="0.0" waypointIdent="RN907" waypointRegion="LI" waypointType="NAMED"/>
<Waypoint lon="13.58500000000000" lat="40.53310000000000" magvar="0.0" waypointIdent="MALOG" waypointRegion="LI" waypointType="NAMED"/>
<Waypoint lon="12.91430000000000" lat="41.84550000000000" magvar="0.0" waypointIdent="RA532" waypointRegion="LI" waypointType="NAMED"/>
<Waypoint lon="13.97070000000000" lat="41.29680000000000" magvar="0.0" waypointIdent="TEA" waypointRegion="LI" waypointType="VOR"/>
<Waypoint lon="13.08037400000000" lat="41.75252600000000" magvar="0.0" waypointIdent="FR12F" waypointRegion="LI" waypointType="NAMED"/>
<Waypoint lon="13.47195300000000" lat="41.53903900000000" magvar="0.0" waypointIdent="FR30F" waypointRegion="LI" waypointType="NAMED"/>
 
GIAMPA said:
As far as I know the TERMINAL_WAYPOINTS are right, in the declaration they are type NAMED.
I made some simple transitions and approaches for a test airport and they are consistent in the A320 FBW, in the PMDG instead you have to compile its own world which is identical to FSX.

<Arrival name="NW1314">
Click to expand...
Thanks Giampa! Will look into this
 
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