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what source for the scenery imagery
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P3D v4 Project Denmark
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MatthiasKNU
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The satellite images are neither from cowi.dk, nor are they licensed.
This is also the reason why the scenery will not be freely available.
The scenery is distributed - as always - exclusively by PM from me.
This is also the reason why the scenery will not be freely available.
The scenery is distributed - as always - exclusively by PM from me.
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Ok, if there are copyright concerns, I will not publish this scenery.
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Well, it just is, as long as nobody explicitly asks for the licenses for the images, it's fine...
But if someone asks, it becomes too risky even for me, which is why I will now stop distributing the sceneries.
Then I would like to say at this point that I am sorry to have raised hopes here!
But if someone asks, it becomes too risky even for me, which is why I will now stop distributing the sceneries.
Then I would like to say at this point that I am sorry to have raised hopes here!
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It is not my business. I do not have any concerns in regards to copyright. It's your scenery and responsibility. I am just asking questions, knowing that distribution of aerial images usually requires some kind of license
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What is the problem if the scenery is distributed for free ?
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I don't know if there is a problem. It's not my scenery and I have no idea under what conditions these aerial images can be distributed. You will have to ask the developer about source and licensing. That's what I did. But usually, you are not allowed to distribute aerial images from ortho photo providers without some kind of license or at least an attribution of some sort
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Well, the problem is that the satellite images may only be used with a known GIS software.
Screenshots, etc. are allowed, but apparently only if the screenshots themselves are reused in this GIS software.
Any use outside this software is prohibited. Even for non-commercial projects.
The use in brochures or maps, on the other hand, is permitted, even if all this is somewhat contradictory.
Fair use does not seem to exist, even if this is an American company.
On a request, whether I could use the satellite images for this purpose, I only received an offer (at that time for Germany), which was exorbitantly expensive, that it would have brought tears to the eyes of even a multimillionaire.
I did not get a clear statement whether I was allowed to use the pictures - as before.
I have also neither found in Internet nor received exact terms of use.
Since I am not a law student either, it was and still is unclear to me whether I may use the satellite images.
Therefore, I had established the rule that if questions about the licensing of the satellite images come up, I will stop the distribution of my sceneries, simply to avoid problems.
This point has now been reached. That doesn't mean I'm gonna stop creating sceneries, I'm just not gonna distribute them anymore.
Also other satellite image data are not available free of charge, I have already inquired at different providers (for Germany), but always got the information that a free use is absolutely impossible. The costs for Germany with 1 m/px ground resolution amount to 4 to 8 million Euro. At these prices, the costs for my Africa project would amount to about 480 million euros.
And this is for me personally simply absolutely impossible to finance, where already 100 € is a lot of money.
All these licensed images include commercial distribution. Non-commercial distribution seems not to exist for satellite or ortho iamgery.
Why others - especially ItalyPhotoreal - get free satellite images for whole of Europe is beyond me, to be honest. In my opinion, this is just as legally uncertain as my projects.
If I could find a source that would allow the use in non-commercial projects, we could talk again about continuing.
I hope this makes my point a bit clearer!
Screenshots, etc. are allowed, but apparently only if the screenshots themselves are reused in this GIS software.
Any use outside this software is prohibited. Even for non-commercial projects.
The use in brochures or maps, on the other hand, is permitted, even if all this is somewhat contradictory.
Fair use does not seem to exist, even if this is an American company.
On a request, whether I could use the satellite images for this purpose, I only received an offer (at that time for Germany), which was exorbitantly expensive, that it would have brought tears to the eyes of even a multimillionaire.
I did not get a clear statement whether I was allowed to use the pictures - as before.
I have also neither found in Internet nor received exact terms of use.
Since I am not a law student either, it was and still is unclear to me whether I may use the satellite images.
Therefore, I had established the rule that if questions about the licensing of the satellite images come up, I will stop the distribution of my sceneries, simply to avoid problems.
This point has now been reached. That doesn't mean I'm gonna stop creating sceneries, I'm just not gonna distribute them anymore.
Also other satellite image data are not available free of charge, I have already inquired at different providers (for Germany), but always got the information that a free use is absolutely impossible. The costs for Germany with 1 m/px ground resolution amount to 4 to 8 million Euro. At these prices, the costs for my Africa project would amount to about 480 million euros.
And this is for me personally simply absolutely impossible to finance, where already 100 € is a lot of money.
All these licensed images include commercial distribution. Non-commercial distribution seems not to exist for satellite or ortho iamgery.
Why others - especially ItalyPhotoreal - get free satellite images for whole of Europe is beyond me, to be honest. In my opinion, this is just as legally uncertain as my projects.
If I could find a source that would allow the use in non-commercial projects, we could talk again about continuing.
I hope this makes my point a bit clearer!
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I always had doubts how some manage to get out as much Hortophoto payware scenery in a short time (there is what asking questions) that reminds me of the scandals that he had a few years ago on a site of distribution
This is a subject constantly brought up on the carpet
And Microsoft fs2020 have the rights to use satellite imagery
This is a subject constantly brought up on the carpet
And Microsoft fs2020 have the rights to use satellite imagery
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Too bad, I was really looking forward to this scenery. It looked great. Of course the person who asked really has a vested interest, as Vidan Design has produced SOME commercial photoreal for Denmark. Too bad too, because such a great freeware photoreal scenery probably would have resulted in more sales for Vidan Design airports.
There is always someone who is not involved directly who feels the need to be the police in the case of photoscenery and aerial imagery licensing, despite there being so many free photoreal sceneries produced and distributed previously.
There is always someone who is not involved directly who feels the need to be the police in the case of photoscenery and aerial imagery licensing, despite there being so many free photoreal sceneries produced and distributed previously.
Nobody is partying I defend Matthias this concerns the whole community of freeware developers.Talk about ruining it for everyoneHe was doing this for free for everyone in the comunity to enjoy. What business is that of yours anyway, why do you care? Always this someone at the party.. hmm
I denounce the fact that it is too easy to type a small developer (while certaint does anything and lets them do it)
I understand what is disturbing in his wonderful work (believe me)
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). Makes sense now.
This is already a very small community compared to some others and instead of going hand in hand there must always be a ridiculous, childish behaviour.
But yeah, thanks for ruining it for everybody.
I will definitively stay away from Vidan Design products from now on.
). Makes sense now.This is already a very small community compared to some others and instead of going hand in hand there must always be a ridiculous, childish behaviour.
But yeah, thanks for ruining it for everybody.
I will definitively stay away from Vidan Design products from now on.
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Guys, calm down.
It's not alcedo's fault, that I cannot license the satellite images.
It was clear from the beginning that the project was on shaky ground.
The question of licensed images would have come sooner or later anyway.
Now it's just the way it is, and I think it's the best decision to stop the distribution of my sceneries at this point, just to avoid any trouble associated with it.
It's not alcedo's fault, that I cannot license the satellite images.
It was clear from the beginning that the project was on shaky ground.
The question of licensed images would have come sooner or later anyway.
Now it's just the way it is, and I think it's the best decision to stop the distribution of my sceneries at this point, just to avoid any trouble associated with it.
What a childish behavior to blame Vidan for pointing out the licensing problems. I see it as helping Matthias to keep out of problems and not risking getting slapped with a law suit from the makers of the orthophotos. As a developer, Vidan has probably more knowledge of licensing and how it works, than those few who gets pissed because they can't get the scenery. I would very much have liked to be flying in a photoreal DK scenery, but not on the expense of Matthias having the chance of getting ruined. So I understand perfectly that he won't publish it. And BTW. I will STILL be buying Vidans sceneries.