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Windows 10

W10 works for me perfect, It took me 1 hour to install, and now it's running very smooth.
The development tools like MCX, ADE 1.65, Sketchup 2015, Gimp, Photoshop, FSX, ETS2, and the PMDG aircrafts are also working very well, I going to test more programs to see, how they working .
The layout of W10 is somewhat different to W7, but I am very satisfied with it.
 
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Heretic said:
Got the x64 version sitting on a USB drive here, but I'm not in the mood to wipe my Windows 7 and install it...yet.
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I have the WinX ISO burned to my last blank DVD. One of these days I might get around to installing it. I'm not certain you can "upgrade" using an ISO dvd though, I get the impression it is a "new install" and will wipe all of your existing programs.

I do know that it requires you to have your registration key numbers for each computer handy!
 
I ran the Insider Preview for several months and just did a clean install yesterday for the RTM. It's been really cool to watch it grow from Windows 8 with a redesigned start menu into what it is today. So far, day 1 of the RTM has been quite issue-free.

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Well someone had to start a thread on it ;) I have religiously stayed away from Win 8 in all its incarnations. However I subscribe to the view that every other version of Windows is crap. So XP and Windows 7 were good; Vista and 8 were crap and my knowledge of 10 makes me hopeful. Anyway it is the last big Windows launch (if MS are to be believed). I am downloading it as I type. Fingers crossed :yikes:
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Why did anyone use Windows 8 if it was "crap" as you say? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad. Adoption rate was so low because of a simple UI change that wasn't that difficult to get used to. Being able to categorize your pinned applications on the start screen was actually quite nice and they've carried that over to the Windows 10 start menu.
 
Recently had to reinstall windows on one PC and restore another PC and then copy it all to a new SSD.

Then on the weekend my PSU went to sleep and never woke up again so I had to replace the PSU on Monday.

I'm just not in the mood to screw around with PC maintenance right now and probably won't be for a few more months.
 
n4gix said:
I have the WinX ISO burned to my last blank DVD. One of these days I might get around to installing it. I'm not certain you can "upgrade" using an ISO dvd though, I get the impression it is a "new install" and will wipe all of your existing programs.

I do know that it requires you to have your registration key numbers for each computer handy!
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Win X insider came as an ISO and overwrites the existing OS while retaining all your software and registry entries that pertain. Your file structure will remain intact. FSX works well and FS9 will function providing you install update 9.1 and use the 9.1 no cd replacement for FS9.exe. Win X doesn't understand the CD security system for FS9.
I'm having some problems with 3ds Max 9and would like to hear from anyone else running Max 9 on Win X.
 
Hughes-MDflyer4 said:
I ran the Insider Preview for several months and just did a clean install yesterday for the RTM. It's been really cool to watch it grow from Windows 8 with a redesigned start menu into what it is today. So far, day 1 of the RTM has been quite issue-free.



Why did anyone use Windows 8 if it was "crap" as you say? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad. Adoption rate was so low because of a simple UI change that wasn't that difficult to get used to. Being able to categorize your pinned applications on the start screen was actually quite nice and they've carried that over to the Windows 10 start menu.
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I didn't adopt windows 8 because Windows 7 totally satisfies me. It had nothing to do with a simple UI change (although why make it hard for me MS????) The idea of sending microsoft money periodically because they make it possible is a bit twisted.
 
I think I've owned every version of Windows since 3.1 (and DOS before that), but this will be the first time I've ever upgraded a machine, normally I just get whatever is the current OS when I replace my PC. The only version that didn't improve things for me was ME, I found that buggy, and relied on System Restore almost weekly.
I have to assume that the way I work -- using the keyboard as main input -- helped me make the change to Windows 8, so I never really noticed anything get more difficult, only easier. I still started common applications from a taskbar or desktop icon, and everything else by pressing the Win key on my keyboard and typing the name of the app. Actually this is much easier and quicker with Windows 8, as I don't need to type the full app name. As an added benefit, I get the Start screen, which behaves the same as my phone start screen, and gives me quick access to all the news, weather, emails, messages etc at a glance.
I do think that flightsim is a bit of a hard nut to crack for Microsoft, it is mainly males, and mainly older, so really we are the definitive grumpy old men when it comes to change. If you are a baby boomer, then change means deterioration -- eye-sight, prostate, libido, employability... But the day I stop looking for new things to try is the day I lie down and die.
So I look at a new Windows as a little blue pill for my soul...
 
I can confirm a failed installation :eek: I ran the Windows 10 Home version installer and half way through it went into restore the old version mode and reported:

"The installation failed at the FIRST_BOOT phase with and error during MIGRATE_DATA operation". Fortunately the restore seems to have worked. I need to find out why - guess I will be on Windows 7 for a while longer.............
 
PS - I suspect I ran out of space on my SSD. The installer indicated I had enough but I don't think there was. I will clear some space and try again
 
Well, I may as well admit it; I'm a complete chicken-shit when it comes to messing with my working development and testing systems. I simply cannot afford to have either one down for any longer than a few hours at most.
 
I used the online upgrade and currently have Windows 10 Home working. A little bit different and testing some "apps". I don't know what happened to "programs".

I did have an issue with Windows 10 changing my 'local' account to a 'Microsoft account', which then requires a Microsoft Account password logon. But I did discover how to change it back to a local logon. I suspect I'll find a few of these glitches as I go from Windows 7 to 10. I think 8.1 users have already discovered some of these oddities. ( Why would MS change my account type without my permission? )

I haven't messed with the UAC, but I haven't really run into problems with it yet.

Dick
 
n4gix said:
I have the WinX ISO burned to my last blank DVD. One of these days I might get around to installing it. I'm not certain you can "upgrade" using an ISO dvd though, I get the impression it is a "new install" and will wipe all of your existing programs.

I do know that it requires you to have your registration key numbers for each computer handy!
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I've heard that you need to upgrade before you can create a full iso disk for a clean installation.



Paul Domingue said:
I'm having some problems with 3ds Max 9and would like to hear from anyone else running Max 9 on Win X.
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What kind of issue(s)?

I still have stuff to do in Max 9.



scruffyduck said:
PS - I suspect I ran out of space on my SSD. The installer indicated I had enough but I don't think there was. I will clear some space and try again
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Windows 10 requires about 20 GB, right? There's so much unremovable junk on my SSD by now* that I'd have a hard time making that space available.

Looks like I'm screwed regarding the upgrade.


*Most of it WinSxS BS. Why MS never implemented a working cleanup routine for this folder is a mystery to me.
 
I have used Link Shell Extension to move stuff from the SSD to another drive and place a link in place of it in C (SSD). I have cleared 25G.
 
Tried again this time with 27Gb free in C and got the same fail with the same message. I am going to leave it now until it arrives via the Windows Update system - perhaps I will have better luck then
 
scruffyduck said:
I have used Link Shell Extension to move stuff from the SSD to another drive and place a link in place of it in C (SSD). I have cleared 25G.
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Hi Jon

Are you using "Symbolic Link Clone" 0-byte link files in linked "Target" folders ...as implemented by "LSE" author Hermann Schinagl ? :scratchch

http://schinagl.priv.at/nt/hardlinkshellext/linkshellextension.html


If so, IIRC, Windows mode (including CMD mode) file system functions are "fooled" by this method; other OS's (including DOS) are not fooled. :idea:

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However, I'm not certain if all the Windows pre-install file system functions are also "fooled" by this LSE "Symbolic Link Clone"method during a ex: re-boot by an OS upgrade / update installer.

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GaryGB
 
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Yes - it works just fine with Windows 7 and creates links or junctions that are the same as those already used in parts of Windows
 
Just another small thing I read on the P3D forum when my partner drew my attention to it:

OldAirMail wrote:
>
> This forum section includes the word "Questions", so I'll ask a questions - does anyone want to buy a retail version of Windows 10 & do a fresh Prepar3d install after upgrading their hardware?
> .
>
> This is not an anti MS post. But if you want to grow your system as Prepar3d grows, then read this very carefully.
>
> Free Windows 10 upgrade!
>
> Sounds great, right?
>
> And the "free" Windows 10 may work out ok, but for those more active with their computer innards or software, the "Free" upgrade may become a desperate "GOTA BUY it RIGHT NOW NO MATTER WHAT IT COSTS" situation.
> .
>
> The problem?
>
> Over the years I've had to reactivate Windows 7 Professional a number of times.
>
> As when cloning it from an old hard drive to a SSD.
>
> As when replacing the motherboard.
>
> As when .......
> .
>
> And whenever I did, reactivation wasn't any problem at all.
>
> Still the fact is that I've reactivated Win 7 Pro at least four or five, times. Perhaps more.
> .
>
> And now this from Microsoft
>
> Q: What happens if I change the hardware configuration of my Windows 10 device?
>
> A quick glance at the answer might mislead you.
>
> "Answer(part 1): If the hardware configuration of your Windows 10 device changes significantly (e.g. motherboard change) Windows may require re-activation on the device. This is the same experience as prior versions of Windows (e.g. Windows 7 and Windows 8.1)."
>
> Fair enough, no problem there.
>
> BUT!
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> "Answer(part 2): "The free upgrade offer will not apply to activation of Windows 10 in such scenarios where hardware changes reset Activation. "
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>
> I think that "free" may cost too much in my case.
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> I'll just pay for windows 10 when I'm ready to switch.
>
>
> Topic Link: http://www.prepar3d.com/forum-5/topic/think-twice-about-prepar3d-windows-10-upgrade/
>
 
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Yes - it (LSE) works just fine with Windows 7 and creates links or junctions that are the same as those already used in parts of Windows
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Indeed, LSE is an excellent utility which offers not only greater ease-of-use, but also greater safety than typically is available when working with NTFS junctions in Windows, because, IIUC, "Symbolic Link Clone" entities are more like 'virtual proxies' than hard-linked folder / file objects. :pushpin:

By using "Symbolic Link Clone" entities, one will not directly affect the "Source" folder / file objects via un-intended file management functions.

For example, if one accidentally deletes "Target" folder / file objects, only the "Symbolic Link Clone" entities (aka 'virtual proxies') are deleted, and not the "Source" folder / file objects. :wizard:



IIUC, other methods using more common NTFS junctions in Windows have the vulnerability of un-intended file management functions on "Target" folder / file linked objects ...having a concurrent impact on the "Source" folder / file objects as well. :alert:



Although LSE offers greater "safety" for purposes of many folder / file operations, it would be interesting to find a way to temporarily disable established NTFS junctions in Windows without the need to totally delete such NTFS junctions, so that certain other file I/O operations could be conducted on an inter-current basis, and then to restore those established NTFS junctions in Windows without a need to re-create them manually.


Perhaps a sophisticated batch file sequence using a utility such as SysInternals "Junction" might be innovated to allow this by logging info during creation of NTFS junctions in Windows, then utilizing that info for temporary deletion / subsequent re-creation to enable / disable junctions ? :scratchch

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896768


GaryGB
 
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Bill - I have no idea since I can't install it ;)

Roby - if I read that right then the poster has decided that it is better not to take advantage of a free install of Windows 10 but wait for a year until he can pay for it. The reason being that if after the first year he needs to reactivate it he will have to pay. So it is better to lose the free year? Or is it that if you take the free one then you need to reactivate it next day then you pay? Any which way it all seems a bit odd since this is the first time that MS have offered a free major upgrade like this and everyone (well almost everyone) had to pay straight away.
 
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