CoVid19, how does it affect you or Sim community?

[hairyspin]

I was reading a report of two fellows who drove all over their state and bought every bit of hand sanitizer they could. They have an entire storage facility full of the pallets and pallets of the stuff. They listed it on Amazon and EBay and within less than a day their accounts were cancelled and their ads removed.

If it’s the same story, the guy got served a Cease&Desist from state prosecutors for profiteering. Ouch.

 

[Leo2789]

So, yes, Covid-19 has a higher mortality rate than Flu, but you are far, far less likely to catch it.

This is actually incorrect and much the other way around Kyrelel, assuming no precautions or prevention against either, you're actually much much more likely to catch covid19 than the flu. The rate at which flu spreads can't even be compared to it, and, like you mentioned, people don't really worry about the flu; which brings us to the real issue with this new virus, which is not its mortality rate (that fortunately is very low), but the fact that it spreads super fast and easily, even with people and governments taking precautions!
The fact that statistically speaking Covid19 has already killed more ppl %-wise than last years flu isn't exactly proof of its higher mortality rate, but of the total unpreparedness of the world for a pandemic such as this, and inability of NHS worldwide to cope with the exponential surge in patients, exactly due to its super fast spreading!

Bottom line really is:
Will it kill you? Most likely not.
If you get it can you infect 50+ other people easy-peasy, some of which could die because they're part of a risk group? Most probably!

So it's not really a reason to panic and hoard TP, particularly if you're not in a risk group, but it is foolish of those people who dismiss it as 'just another cold' and rant about social-isolation, closing shops, bars etc, because all these measures are not really for one's self-protection, but to stop the virus spreading quickly!

It's toilet paper and pasta here.

And, looking through my supermarket, apparently also bread, milk and flour.

When the supermarket stampede started here last Thu what I noticed was immediately gone was TP & packaged (fresh) meat... when asked wtf was going on, a supermarket worker mentioned 1 guy taking 30kg of it at once that's 4 months worth of meat/person according to the average consumption on my country

My theory is people's plans for the 'pandemic apocalypse' are: Barbecue -> Eat -> Sh*t <Repeat>

It is American thing or not?. They are too far ignorance. The virus is deadly. However, do not either too panic or too much ignore it. It is not just a new flu.

Just a Packed Beach in Florida Amid 'Social Distancing'

Meanwhile in Florida.. a packed Clearwater Beach amid 'social distancing' for Coronavirus 🤦‍♂️

twistedsifter.com

Tic that's nothing, this is a picture of the largest of my local beaches on the day the WHO delcared the Pandemic (last Thu):


Even though people have now started to understand the gravity of the situation and many are now staying home and only leaving for essentials, since Sunday there are now police preventing people from staying on all beaches, all you can do is jog or walk by, no sunbathing

 

[jtanabodee]

Covid-19: 200,000 cases, 8,000 deaths.
Flu cases in US last year .. 31 Million ... with "only" 30,000 deaths, which is 0.001%, not that that matters. Reporting percentages is absolutely pointless. If an epidemic causes 300 cases and all 300 die, then 100% sounds scary, but it's still only 300 deaths. So, to date, Covid-19 has caused far fewer deaths than the Flu ... and almost no one really takes precautions against catching the flu, do they.

OK, I see the point. Flu is not very common in my country to cause dead. But it is common in US. We consider dead from pneumonia as pneumonia itself, not disease caused by flu. If expert count in that way, everything is flu related. Sinusitis, brain infection, pneumonia, every diseases can related to flu. Even car accidents related to flu, since you see nothing when you sneeze. So, the accidents is also related.

 

[jtanabodee]

So it's not really a reason to panic and hoard TP, particularly if you're not in a risk group, but it is foolish of those people who dismiss it as 'just another cold' and rant about social-isolation, closing shops, bars etc, because all these measures are not really for one's self-protection, but to stop the virus spreading quickly!

I love this comment! and it should be part of ourselves social responsibility.

 

[GHD]

I have changed my date of birth by deed poll from 1938 to 1953 to overcome the problem of imprisonment

 

[jtanabodee]

Some one passed this to via a chat program, message from Milan. I think it is a true story.

"Italy asking the world to listen and react before it's too late:

A letter from Italy,
peace for all,
We live in Italy - Milan,
I'm going to share with you and explain to you, "How is life here in Milan" during these difficult days and how do I think you should learn from the mistakes and their consequences that we live here.
We are currently in quarantine. We don't take to the streets, the police are in constant motion and arrest anyone outside his home.
Everything is closed! ... business, malls, stores, all streets without movement.
Feeling of the end of the world !!
Italy, the country of living life, is transformed from one moment to the next as if it were a dark country of war.
It is a fact that I never thought I would ever live!
People are confused, sad, anxious and helpless, and often do not understand how this reality was imposed on them and when this whole nightmare will end.
The big mistake was that at the start of the first hit people continued to lead their lives as usual and took to the streets for work, entertainment and feeling like a vacation period, so gatherings with friends and banquets abound.
Everyone was wrong and so were you!
I beg you, be careful, this is neither a laugh nor a joke.
Protect your loved ones, your parents, and your grandparents! The disease is dangerous for them.
About 200 people die here every day, not because medicine in Milan is not good (it's one of the best in the world), but rather because there are no places for everyone!
Doctors choose who will die! This is only because of the silliness of the citizens at the beginning, who decided to continue their lives as usual, regardless of the new situation!
Please, learn from the mistakes, we are a small country that could end up with a great tragedy.
Listen well now ,,,
Don't go out into crowded places.
Try not to eat in public places.
Stay longer at home during this time!
Listen to the Ministry of Health guidelines (don't play it!).
Talk about a meter away from each person, do not come close, do not cuddle or accept.
Get a complementary and preventive treatment and learn from others' mistakes.
We recommend that you take vitamin C to boost your immune system.

Helping professionals prevent the spread of the epidemic ...

In Italy, the entire country is isolated, meaning 60 million people in quarantine !!
This would have been prevented if people had heard the instructions from the beginning.
Take care of yourself and the life of the one you love ❤❤

Share the message to all people Jsca"

 

[gfxpilot]

In the UK they have been somewhat slower that the likes of Italy, Germany and France to put in place strict lock down - The European continent as a whole have seen transmissions across boarders increase.
Yes there are worrying reports coming from the press over here however, the UK Government is now posting the documents from the science world and WHO that are giving the data that they (Government) are acting upon. The people 70 years plus are in the firing line and those who have "other health issues" like COPD. Because this virus hits the bronchial areas its having expected effects. People that have had it HAVE come through , no many but a few. The transmission is the greater issue. Because there is no "barrier" to this virus as yet as there isnt a drug in the public domain to knock it down. Then the virus is moving. People are panicking, thats the nature of survival. However, counties like Italy do not panic for nothing, they have one of the most lucrative tourist economies in the world and they have in effect sealed it off to zero. Many countries (UK included) are not testing when a person shows symptoms (fever, chesty dry continual cough and aching joints ) which I add here look like a very heavy cold or flu. They dont have the resources to mass test. That means that people may have it, carry it and not know but then will communicate it, develop it etc. The lock down is because of the increase spike effect. That top end spike will not be manageable IF huge amounts come down with the virus across a very short period. Countries taking this seriously are trying to minimise the spike as medical services will NOT cope

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Leo2789 said:
So it's not really a reason to panic and hoard TP, particularly if you're not in a risk group, but it is foolish of those people who dismiss it as 'just another cold' and rant about social-isolation, closing shops, bars etc, because all these measures are not really for one's self-protection, but to stop the virus spreading quickly!

I love this comment! and it should be part of ourselves social responsibility.

Tic
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THIS IS correct - it limiting the transmission - mechanically speaking break the link in the chain

The UK is seeing empty selves, stupid mass purchasing draining the supply chain all to hide the food in the cupboard. Hell we've seen people threatening shop workers because the customer cant have the extra under counter freezer delivered because of the demand. Its what people do - but please those that feel ts hype - forget it - the virus is real, it does have an impact on people and it is moving, knocking down many healthy people and the old and medically vulnerable. The now issue is because it can resemble good old flu, very heavy cold in its initial stages then get a shock to know they are now being barrier nursed, cant breath and their loved ones put at risk as they ate now at risk of being infected. Basic common sense processes like hygiene are having to be taught to adults!. We have seen people holding paper money in their mouth at a checkout as they search for coins to pay then, hand the note to the checkout operator !!!!!! When did that EVER become acceptable behaviours

last line from me

DONT think that issue is this BS news. Ask or Italian friend in he FS Dev forum about it

 

[Kyrelel]

This is actually incorrect and much the other way around Kyrelel, assuming no precautions or prevention against either, you're actually much much more likely to catch covid19 than the flu.

and as those precautions are in place ... you are far less likely to get CV, that was my point.

 

[Heretic]

Aaand - I was right. We've been banned from the office for the foreseeable future. I actually hate working from home.

Tell me about it. My desk has become my workplace and is two meters away from my couch/bed. There is not a single bit of separation between work and private life anymore. Fortunately, the amount of calls and e-mails I've had to process in the last two days can still be counted on one hand, so at least there's that.

 

[Vitus]

Strap yourselves in:

 

[rhumbaflappy]

My stepson sent me this:

 

[Marc L]

better than nothing

 

[=rk=]

In western world, who wears mask will be considered as a sick person.

This is not true actually and in fact, is somewhat the opposite. I don't know that I can characterize an attitude from around here, but you could maybe imagine. It is not like we are so healthy, we won't notice the virus, although there is some of that going on, it is more the belief that this is just one more item on the relative list of things trying to kill each of us.
There is an abundance of retirement enclaves in this area, because land is cheap, but there is also an abundance of people who ply that land. Kayakers, orchardists, loggers, vintners, telemarkers, etc. Tech companies lodge here, so their engineers can recreate, with their $2900 mountain bikes. Those are the ones we see wearing the face masks, btw. Presumably, I and my kind, the orchardists, loggers and vintners, will die off and be replaced by Siri, Sophia and Watson.

Strap yourselves in:

OMG how do you listen to that guy? Especially the way he pronounces strah t'uh gee. If you looked at his channel, you'd see that most of his videos are inflammatory. This is the title of another of his videos, "Murder and Masturbation - Religion Rebutted #3." Just wow, I don't care who he quotes, I don't believe a thing he says and also, always know your sources.

 

[Marc L]

Here in French Guiana, we hit 15 cases today (3 recoveries).
Today I witnessed verry generous efforts from Developers to help during this Pandemic Crisis and Lockdown (French Guiana is also Lockdown as for mainland France)
A2A set their Accu-Sim P40 for FREE, CentralSim set a Scenery for FREE, Thoses are Actions that don't go unnoticed to me.

Im my own, I created an overlay for my YouTube Videos:

Good luck Everyone

#StayHome

 

[Gman]

On the road again in Phoenix AZ.
We arrived at a location with two adjacent large Marriot hotels around 6 pm, and there were a total of about 12 cars in the shared parking lot. What was strange about it is that this time of year it is usually difficult to find rooms due to Baseball spring training.
As we checked in at the Courtyard Hotel, there was no one else in view besides the desk clerk, and when we asked what time the restaurant opened, she told us the Bistro restaurant was closed.
We asked where we might eat and she told us where to find the restaurants in the area, and informed us that none were serving in their dining rooms, but that we could order take out in restaurants which were open, or use the drive-thru windows at fast food joints.
We usually hit a Chili's or Red Robin for a couple cold beers and chow, but instead we went with KFC and a six pack, and shortly after returning to our room, we noticed a sheet of paper had been slipped under the door notifying us that all public areas such as the gym, the restaurant, the pool areas etc at both locations were closed until further notice.

So, it look like social distancing is alive and well in Phoenix AZ.

Back home in Southern California, Disneyland and Knott's Berry Farm are closed, restaurants that are open are take out only, and the hoarders are still behaving like so many locusts. While stores have begun to place limits on many items, supply is not currently keeping up with the demand of the voracious panic inducing gluttons.
More of everything is on the way, and it is getting to the point where networking is coming in handy to find things you need. We got a line on a shipment of hand sanitizer, disinfectant, and ever precious toilet paper coming in tomorrow at one of our suppliers, and spoke with a friend who is a butcher to hook us up with some meat for our freezers. After most of seven weeks on the road, it feels good to at least have something to survive on if things get worse here at home.

Good luck and God Bless!
Now, go wash your hands again.
Gman

 

[rhumbaflappy]

I wash my hands while playing a verse from Henry the 8th (Herman's Hermits) in my mind. It's actually 30 seconds.

One of the side effects of this disease...

 

[=rk=]

I saw a jet airplane a few minutes ago and realized that it must be military...right? I mean, we're in the midst of a "conduct-demic," where if I conduct my l life with strict biologic containment procedures, I will be less likely to contribute to someones death. But, how do you factor that sort of risk into your conduct? Surely, if it were a matter of life and death, you could decide on your own behalf. Because I keep thinking of the dystopian novels I used to read and one of the clear signs of impending collapse, was the reduction, or retraction, of the so called, "fruits of civilization." It first occurred to me a few years ago, when they retired the Concorde without a bigger, faster, cheaper replacement and now, I am reading word bytes, like "the death of the aviation industry."

Seems pretty solid from up here. Australia looks like they have about 100 planes flying and Africa is a ghost town - and what's that big row of planes leaving the eastern seaboard?

Here's a good example of the idea, right before Burgess Meredith broke his reading glasses on the steps of the bombed out library, a strange new disease that kills more people than the common flu came upon us. It wiped out all culture, travel and it overwhelmed the hospitals, so that no one could be cared for. Then the bomb struck.

Well not exactly, but what a way to come to appreciate those lost fruits.

the hoarders are still behaving like so many locusts. While stores have begun to place limits on many items, supply is not currently keeping up with the demand of the voracious panic inducing gluttons

I think this is cognitive bias. How we choose the more comforting observations in a crisis. What if they aren't gluttons? What if they are futurists, who have read all the same novels I've read, who agree that a future without air travel, is a harbinger to fundamental changes in society?

More of everything is on the way, and it is getting to the point where networking is coming in handy to find things you need. We got a line on a shipment of hand sanitizer, disinfectant, and ever precious toilet paper coming in tomorrow at one of our suppliers, and spoke with a friend who is a butcher to hook us up with some meat for our freezers. After most of seven weeks on the road, it feels good to at least have something to survive on if things get worse here at home.

That's comforting, because I see the shelves here are still empty. With all the solid distribution this robust society has going for it, you'd think they'd be able to get enough paper towels after a week. It's like. "well shucks ya, society keeps chugging along, cranking out more toilet paper to meet the increased demand and someone, somewhere is making an immense mountain of TP, we just haven't found it on Google Earth yet." At least the Feds are about to print some up, too.

And our other basic solution, that is the literal definition of the break down in civilization, ditch the accepted distribution lines, get an insider hook up. We should respect while feeling good in survival, that someone that might have been in the old mindset, with the belief that waiting their turn was a virtue, would have had to go without those supplies. We owe that much to our ancestors, for getting the torch this far.

 

[n4gix]

Here's a good example of the idea, right before Burgess Meredith broke his reading glasses on the steps of the bombed out library, a strange new disease that kills more people than the common flu came upon us. It wiped out all culture, travel and it overwhelmed the hospitals, so that no one could be cared for. Then the bomb struck.

I've always wondered how Mr. Henry Beamus thought he had "all the time in world" when there was nothing to eat?

 

[Gman]

And our other basic solution, that is the literal definition of the break down in civilization, ditch the accepted distribution lines, get an insider hook up. We should respect while feeling good in survival, that someone that might have been in the old mindset, with the belief that waiting their turn was a virtue, would have had to go without those supplies. We owe that much to our ancestors, for getting the torch this far.

Not quite.
We are in the laundry business, and the supplier is a laundry supply with stock for sale to those in the laundry business.
The butcher is a friend that we hooked up with a sweet deal on a washer and dryer set when there was no emergency other than his wife's washer and dryer were out of order and she was having to go to a laundromat. We buy meat from him on a regular basis when he has specials, so it is actually business as usual. Again, we have been on the road for most of two months, and we are just sorting things out as they are, everyone else has had a head start. Sometimes you just have to shake a few trees.

Hope things work out for you Rick - NGWYH
Cheers
Gary

 

[Gman]

I've always wondered how Mr. Henry Beamus thought he had "all the time in world" when there was nothing to eat?

Although I originally understood little of the story as a child, I remember wondering what he was going to eat in that devastated World.

From Wikipedia:
"Witness Mr. Henry Bemis, a charter member in the fraternity of dreamers. A bookish little man whose passion is the printed page, but who is conspired against by a bank president and a wife and a world full of tongue-cluckers and the unrelenting hands of a clock. But in just a moment, Mr. Bemis will enter a world without bank presidents or wives or clocks or anything else. He'll have a world all to himself... without anyone."


Henpecked, far-sighted bank teller and avid bookworm Henry Bemis (Meredith) reads David Copperfield while serving a customer from his window in a bank. He is so engrossed in the novel he regales the increasingly annoyed woman with information about the characters, and shortchanges her. Bemis's angry boss (Taylor), and later his nagging wife (deWit), both complain to him that he wastes far too much time reading "doggerel". As a cruel joke, his wife asks him to read poetry to her from one of his books; he eagerly obliges, only to find that she has inked over the text on every page, obscuring the words. Seconds later, she destroys the book by ripping the pages from it, much to Henry's dismay.

The next day, as usual, Henry takes his lunch break in the bank's vault, where his reading cannot be disturbed. Moments after he sees a newspaper headline, which reads "H-Bomb Capable of Total Destruction", an enormous explosion outside the bank violently shakes the vault, knocking Bemis unconscious. After regaining consciousness and recovering the thick glasses required for him to see, Bemis emerges from the vault to find the bank demolished and everyone in it dead. Leaving the bank, he sees that the entire city has been destroyed, and realizes that, while a nuclear war has devastated Earth, his being in the vault has saved him.

"Seconds, minutes, hours. They crawl by on hands and knees for Mr. Henry Bemis, who looks for a spark in the ashes of a dead world. A telephone connected to nothingness. A neighborhood bar, a movie, a baseball diamond, a hardware store, the mailbox of what was once his house and is now a rubble. They lie at his feet as battered monuments to what was, but is no more. Mr. Henry Bemis on an eight-hour tour of a graveyard."

Finding himself totally alone in a shattered world with canned food to last him a lifetime (but no one to share it with) and no means of leaving to look for other survivors, Bemis succumbs to despair. As he prepares to commit suicide using a revolver he has found, Bemis sees the ruins of the public library in the distance. Investigating, he finds that the books are still intact and legible; all the books he could ever hope for are his for the reading, and (as he gazes upon a huge fallen face of a clock) realizes that he has all the time in the world to read them without interruption.

His despair gone, Bemis contentedly sorts the books he looks forward to reading for years to come, with no obligations to get in the way. Just as he bends down to pick up the first book, he stumbles, and his glasses fall off and shatter. In shock, he picks up the broken remains of the glasses without which he is virtually blind, and says, "That's not fair. That's not fair at all. There was time now. There was—was all the time I needed…! It's not fair! It's not fair!" and bursts into tears, surrounded by books he now can never read.

"The best laid plans of mice and men... and Henry Bemis... the small man in the glasses who wanted nothing but time. Henry Bemis, now just a part of a smashed landscape, just a piece of the rubble, just a fragment of what man has deeded to himself. Mr. Henry Bemis... in the Twilight Zone."

Strange how much of the plot I had forgotten, I was four years old the first time I saw this episode of Twilight Zone, and I have seen it probably 10 times since then. I mostly remember the bank vault, the bomb, and the happiness of him having all of the time in the World to read, followed by the sadness of breaking his glasses. It was not that I understood anything until later years when we had duck and cover drills, but I think Meredith's acting made the feelings understandable even to a child.

Best Regards
Gary