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Donated and will donate as soon as I have spare cash. Paypal is the best pay option even without PP account you can use your Credit or debit cards. But I just wonder about the amount of $420. :eek::eek::eek::eek: I run the website and the domain for less than $150 (£ 69.80) a year.. Probably I could run Two services like this for $420 and have some for beer at the end.
 
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For the 420 dollar we get a dedicated virtual machine to run our website on. And enough bandwidth and speed to serve all our users :).
 

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As Arno says - it is a matter of the service that is needed to support the activity on FS Developer ;)
 
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Have you ever purchased anything online with a credit card without providing your address phone and email? It's for verification.

Yes. I never have to supply my e-mail or phone number. Address, yes, but that isn't a problem as my letterbox is screwed shut and I never get snail-mail spam.
You'll note that it's paypal that wants the data - not the credit card company.
 
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Yes. I never have to supply my e-mail or phone number. Address, yes, but that isn't a problem as my letterbox is screwed shut and I never get snail-mail spam.
You'll note that it's paypal that wants the data - not the credit card company.

Been using PayPal services for many years without incident. The recommendation's I have are to use a credit card and not a debit card and make an email account specifically for PayPal.

Regarding personal information, email is crucial for delivery of receipts, if you don't provide an email how will you get this information? I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure credit card companies want the phone number for verification.

Is PayPal perfect, no they aren't but then again what service is?
 
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Hi,

Yes, I have made online purchases with my credit card.
And when they need my address it is because they need a forwarding address to deliver the goods. They have never asked me for anything else!
 

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Hi,

Yes, I have made online purchases with my credit card.
And when they need my address it is because they need a forwarding address to deliver the goods. They have never asked me for anything else!

Generally they also need the address of the card-holder to validate the card. If the shipping address is the same as the card-holder address then clearly only one address is required.

In my experience on-line sellers will ask for the card-holder address and then ask for the delivery address if different than the card-holder address. I am not saying that this is what PayPal are doing of course.
 
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... Regarding personal information, email is crucial for delivery of receipts, if you don't provide an email how will you get this information? I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure credit card companies want the phone number for verification. ...

I'm logged on to Tools'R'Us, they know my e-mail address, usually as a result of registering. I want the latest sonic screwdriver, I add it to my basket, I check out.
*Now* I am transferred to the credit card company (usually secure.arcot6 or somesuch). They want to know my card number and other credit card details, but never my e-mail address or phone. The transaction clears, Tools'R'Us are informed, Tools'R'Us e-mails me the receipt. Not the credit card company.
 

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Guys this has gone rather off topic ;)
 

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There really is no need for paranoia.

Press Support Us! button, provide details and pay by credit card or Paypal.

Large organisations such as Paypal are eminently pursuable for privacy breaches, incorrect charges etc ... so they are much more rigorous with getting it right.

This is big business ... and potentially big liability for getting it wrong. They have a privacy policy, and don't 'sell' your details to anyone ...

I am grateful that Paypal have my email address. They alert me for 'unusual' purchases, or security concerns on my account. ie .. the things i expect my email address to be used for.

The fact is that credit card fraud is common, and these companies need to protect themselves (and you).

It strikes me as somewhat obtuse to expect organisations like this NOT to collect such info, and to enable your credit card to be debited without any means of verification.

Are we sure that we're not being 'just a bit' difficult here?
 
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There really is no need for paranoia.

Press Support Us! button, provide details and pay by credit card or Paypal.

Large organisations such as Paypal are eminently pursuable for privacy breaches, incorrect charges etc ... so they are much more rigorous with getting it right.

This is big business ... and potentially big liability for getting it wrong. They have a privacy policy, and don't 'sell' your details to anyone ...

I am grateful that Paypal have my email address. They alert me for 'unusual' purchases, or security concerns on my account. ie .. the things i expect my email address to be used for.

The fact is that credit card fraud is common, and these companies need to protect themselves (and you).

It strikes me as somewhat obtuse to expect organisations like this NOT to collect such info, and to enable your credit card to be debited without any means of verification.

Are we sure that we're not being 'just a bit' difficult here?

Well said.
 

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If the perceived insecurity of using PayPal outweighs the desire to donate, then simply don't donate. We all understand.

Their service is used because it is relatively easy and generally acceptable... used by many millions of people worldwide. It makes good sense to use PayPal to acquire the donations, and most supporters will not have a problem with it.

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Just to weigh in with a "+1" about Paypal. I would categorise myself as "really very cautious" about passing my financial details to an online company and that is why I actually am okay with Paypal. I'm only doing it once, and not for every "mom & pop" business around in Internet-land. They are a large company with a great deal to lose in any scandal - I'm more scared of the small "nothing to lose" company with the low expertise. Sometimes I even have a small positive balance with them (e.g. Cafepress commission payments) and end up buying something "for nothing" - which is nice!

If I have to stop a credit card and get a new one I also only have to change the details in one place for most payments to start working properly again (e.g. I have had hassles with contactless cards and had to switch away from them because, ironically, I can trust plastic less than I trust Paypal).

They may not be perfect, but they have always been perfect in my experience - better than my CC "providers", in fact.

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I think with my next freeware releases I might suggest to any users in download-land that they donate to the site that helps me to make my stuff, after all, they are beneficiaries, in many ways moreso than I. I will however continue to plug Orbis too!
 
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What? I have not donated yet I planned to donate next month. Well some members must be giving to much, that's never a problem. My donation can go for the Acti Gate rights. What a great community we have!
 
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Arno,

I think there are some merchant account options at Paypal that would allow you to offer credit card processing that does not require users to give as much information.

I don't know it costs more and I'm not sure of the exact differences, but I think there may be an option to make it more "Amazonesque", which some people are more comfortable with.

For my part, I have seen Paypal options where I just plug in my credit card and get my stuff. I have seen other times where I am *required* to sign up, which is a lost sale for me. I actually have a paypal account, but it's linked to my joint account. (Which the wife can see ;)

There is also a cool option where you can send an e-mail invoice where the "customer" clicks a link to pay with credit card very cleanly in one step. My personal favorite.

So, there are different "levels" for accepting payment. Might be worth looking into.
 
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Thank you

Only for the help received, I would pay 300 years to maintain this wonderful website.

Best regards,
Sergio.
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Um. What happened to the Donate button since the site changed? I can't find it and want to click!
 

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Just donated!
Maybe I could get a Favicon in return, it would look nice on my Bookmark bar?

Thank you very much. I will certainly talk with the other admins about your suggestion of a Favicon
 
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