• Which the release of FS2020 we see an explosition of activity on the forun and of course we are very happy to see this. But having all questions about FS2020 in one forum becomes a bit messy. So therefore we would like to ask you all to use the following guidelines when posting your questions:

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    • Questions about making 3D assets can be posted in the 3D asset design forum. Either post them in the subforum of the modelling tool you use or in the general forum if they are general.
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    • Questions about airport design can be posted in the FS2020 airport design forum. Once airport development tools have been updated for FS2020 you can post tool speciifc questions in the subforums of those tools as well of course.
    • Questions about terrain design can be posted in the FS2020 terrain design forum.
    • Questions about SimConnect can be posted in the SimConnect forum.

    Any other question that is not specific to an aspect of development or tool can be posted in the General chat forum.

    By following these guidelines we make sure that the forums remain easy to read for everybody and also that the right people can find your post to answer it.

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Hi all,

You might have noticed the new image at the top right of the forum that shouts "Support us!" to you. We are reaching out to our users to help us with the cost of keeping this site running. You can find all the details on this page:

http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/pages/support-us/
 
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I'll reply here, partly as a means of **bumping** this topic:

I would encourage all who use this site, and are in a position to do so, to DONATE something.

If you can ever remember getting an idea, a problem solved. Perhaps if you've ever downloaded ModelconverterX, then that must be worth something to you.

Domain registration, Web Servers, Bandwidth don't come for free.
Support the site that helps and supports all of us! Perhaps reply here to show your support.

(I have no pecuniary interest at all, in fact I just donated, myself!)
 
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Hi,
in order to help someone to "calibrate" his donation, may be you could say how much roughly are yearly expenses ?
 
And further to Alain's comment, what would you feel to be a reasonable contribution if, say 20% (or your estimate) of all users would contribute?
I would gladly do so but would lilke to know what is reasonable (without exaggerating:D).
 
I will donate during June for sure....:D What would be a good amount. And yes what is the yearly cost?
 
Hi all,

Let me first thank all users who already contributed up to now. We are happily surprised with the responds until now.

How much a user donates is completely up to you. We are just as happy with 5 euro as we are with 20 euro. It's up to you to decide if and how much you want to give.

The fixed cost for the server and the bandwidth we have is 420 dollar per year. The variable cost really vary per year, sometimes they are almost 0, some years there are some cost for software licenses or things like that.
 
Morning Arno,

Would there be another way to donate? I do not want to use or open a Paypal account.
 
Hi Roby,

At the moment we don't have another way to contribute.
 
However you should not need a PayPal account. There is a link on the PayPal page to allow you to pay by credit or debit card and for that you do not need a PayPal account.
 
'Donate' buttons can easily fall on deaf ears. Same as supposedly freeware stuff only to find shareware, donate buttons on the bottom of packages. I would think you may get a better return as this is a specialized site and the users realize the value they are getting.

May I suggest rather than have a "nag" screen (or button) around all the time, take another course of action... how about trying a "fund drive"? You say you spend $420 a year? Ok, make a goal to reach $500. Have a big donation page or something showing the total amount accumulating. If people donate over a minimal amount proudly display their username, amount and a big THANK YOU!

Run the thing, I dunno, for several weeks or maybe a month. When you hit the goal then put it all away all the hoopla and go again next year. Can't take full credit for this as I think I saw VOZ do this with excellent results, AVSIM had a big drive - very successfuly.

Cause when I see endless donate buttons at so many sites I just blow over them.

Just an idea... awaiting to be the first donor of the "Developer Drive"! :D
 
Clutch Cargo said:
May I suggest rather than have a "nag" screen (or button) around all the time, take another course of action... how about trying a "fund drive"? You say you spend $420 a year? Ok, make a goal to reach $500. Have a big donation page or something showing the total amount accumulating. If people donate over a minimal amount proudly display their username, amount and a big THANK YOU!
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That is precisely how "Ickie" at Sim Outhouse raises the funds for SOH each year. It seems to work quite well.

In fact, SOH uses pretty much the same system during the year as a way to help dirt-poor members replace hardware, etc. Several years ago one of the founding members (Henry) suffered a massive stroke which left him confined to a hospital and later his bed in a rehab center.

Anyway, SOH ran a fund raiser to buy him a laptop computer and wireless internet access for a full year. It was quite successful!
 
Hi,

OK Jon, I will try again but it said it would create a Paypal account and asks you for a lot of IMHO private details I would not like to give to Paypal (I get enough spam from Paypal as it is).
And, by the way, it will be a very humble contribution:) so I'd prefer you do not do as Clutch Cargo said and broadcast it all over the place:eek::).
 
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Sorry, but no!
They ask for my first name, telephone number, address, etc. and I do not want them to have that because I do not trust them.
If, say Arno, sends me a PM or E-mails me, I will gladly send him the money.
 
robystar said:
Sorry, but no!
They ask for my first name, telephone number, address, etc. and I do not want them to have that because I do not trust them.
If, say Arno, sends me a PM or E-mails me, I will gladly send him the money.
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Have you ever purchased anything online with a credit card without providing your address phone and email? It's for verification.

When I'm getting a paycheck again I'll gladly donate to this fantastic community.
 
Hey Roby,

I have used Paypal as a 'buyer' for many years now. There has not been a single incident (unauthorised charge or similar) at ANY time.

Any merchant that accepts credit cards online requires a Billing address to verify you to the credit card provider. You cannot use a credit card without this info.

An unencrypted email to transfer financial details is LESS safe than a Paypal account.

The main reason I set it up was to buy things on eBay. Much much safer in every respect. Have even sold the odd item now with no dramas.

Much conspiracy, but really ... what are you concerned they might do?

(As for the nag screen. I'd request 'No'. Bumping this thread was my idea of 'nagging'. Not everyone is in a position to donate, and people shouldn't feel belittled.)
 
I've been using PayPal for nearly twelve years already with zero issues. I use it to receive monthly commissions, pay an occasional purchase from eBay, etc.

I now have used it to send my pitiful, paltry, pathetic pittance to Arno to help support FS Developer. :eek:
 
I accessed to that and was about to pay from PayPal yesterday.
I have money in US dollars and I have to change to Euro.
That will cost me another 4% from PayPal to change the currency.
Do you accept other currency beside Euro?
 
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I don't think we need a nagging screen, the users are great :D

We have already covered our cost for the hosting and domain for this year by now (after just a few days).

Instead of closing the page now directly, we will keep it open for a while more and then hopefully we don't have to bug the community every year with this.
 
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